Texaco, Inc.Download PDFNational Labor Relations Board - Board DecisionsDec 8, 1969179 N.L.R.B. 976 (N.L.R.B. 1969) Copy Citation 976 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Texaco, Inc., Los Angeles Sales Terminal and General Truck Drivers, Chauffeurs & Helpers, Local 692 , International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs , Warehousemen and Helpers of America . Case 21-CA-7745 December 8, 1969 DECISION AND ORDER BY MEMBERS FANNING, JENKINS, AND ZAGORIA On January 14, 1969, Trial Examiner Maurice M. Miller issued his Decision in the above-entitled proceeding, finding that the Respondent had not engaged in certain alleged unfair labor practices and recommending that the complaint herein be dismissed in its entirety, as set forth in the attached Trial Examiner's Decision. Thereafter, the General Counsel filed exceptions to the Decision and a supporting brief, the Respondent filed cross-exceptions to the Decision and a brief in support thereof and in opposition to the General Counsel's exceptions, and the General Counsel filed a brief in answer to the Respondent's cross-exceptions. Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Relations Board has delegated its powers in connection with this case to a three-member panel. The Board has reviewed the rulings of the Trial Examiner made at the hearing and finds that no prejudicial error was committed. The rulings are hereby affirmed. The Board has considered the Trial Examiner's Decision, the exceptions, the cross-exceptions, the briefs, and the entire record in this case, and hereby adopts the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of the Trial Examiner.' caused a complaint and notice of hearing to be issued and served upon Texaco, Inc., first designated as Respondent therein. (Subsequently, during the hearing held in this matter, Respondent's designation within the case caption was consensually changed to Texaco, Inc., Los Angeles Sales Terminal. This was done to permit a differentiation in citation, between this case and a prior case, Texaco Inc., Houston Producing Division. 168 NLRB No. 49, which had presented similar questions.) The complaint was issued December 28, 1967, therein Respondent was charged with unfair labor practices affecting commerce within the meaning of Section 8(a)(1) and (5) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, 61 Stat. 136, 73 Stat. 519. Within Respondent's answer, duly filed, certain factual matters set forth within the Complaint were conceded, Respondent, however, has denied the commission of any unfair labor practice. Pursuant to notice, a hearing with respect to the issues was held at Los Angeles, California, on May 7 and 8, 1968, before me. The General Counsel, complainant union, and Respondent were represented by counsel. Each party was afforded a full opportunity to be heard, to examine and cross-examine witnesses, and to introduce evidence pertinent to the issues. (The transcript, herein, reflects several errors conceivably meriting correction. Most, however, may be considered minor; there is only one which significantly affects the record. P. 225, 1. 10, should be revised to show that the remarks commencing there were made by the witness, not the Trial Examiner.) Before the hearing closed, General Counsel's representative presented oral argument; subsequently Respondent's counsel submitted a brief. General Counsel's statement of position, and Respondent's brief, have been duly considered. FINDINGS OF FACT Upon the entire testimonial record, documentary evidence received, and my observation of the witnesses, I make the following findings of fact: 1. THE BUSINESS OF RESPONDENT ORDER Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Relations Board hereby adopts as its Order the recommended order of the Trial Examiner, and orders that the complaint herein be, and it hereby is, dismissed in its entirety. 'Our agreement with the Trial Examiner that the complaint should be dismissed is based on the facts of this case , and does not signify the Board 's approval or adoption of the Trial Examiner's general discussion of an employee's right to union representation in other circumstances DECISION OF THE TRIAL EXAMINER STATEMENT OF THE CASE MAURICE M. MILLER, Trial Examiner: Upon a charge and amended charge, filed on September I1 and September 26, 1967, respectively, and duly served, the General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board Respondent, a Delaware corporation, maintains an office and place of business in New York City, together with various plants, places of business, warehouses, oil refineries, and further facilities within the states of New Jersey, Illinois, Texas, Oklahoma and California, among others. The corporation is engaged in the production and marketing of petroleum and other related products. Respondent, annually, sells and distributes products valued in excess of $50,000, which are shipped in interstate commerce directly to various states of the United States other than the State of California, likewise, Respondent annually purchases, and causes to be delivered to various California facilities, petroleum products valued in excess of $50,000, which are transported directly from states of the United States other than the State of California to said facilities. Upon the complaint's jurisdictional declarations, which are conceded, I find that Respondent was, throughout the period which this case is concerned, an employer engaged in commerce and business activities which affect commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act, as amended. With due regard for those jurisdictional standards which the Board presently applies -- see Siemons Mailing Service, 122 NLRB 81, and 179 NLRB No. 157 TEXACO, INC. related cases - I find assertion of the Board's jurisdiction in this case warranted and necessary to effectuate statutory objectives. II. THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED General Truck Drivers, Chauffeurs & Helpers, Local 692, International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of America, designated as Complainant Union within this decision, is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act, as amended, which admits certain of Respondent's employees to membership. III. THE UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES A. Issue This case --- which derives from a substantially undisputed factual record - presents two related questions . ( 1) Did Respondent's management - when it refused a worker's request for permission to have his collective -bargaining representative present , during a purported "fact-find ing"• conference conducted by a company supervisor with respect to reported misconduct by the worker concerned - violate Section 8(a)(5) and (1) of the Act? (2) Did Respondent's management - when it denied a concurrent request , presented by Complainant Union's representative, for permission to attend the purported "fact-finding" conference - further violate these designated statutory mandates? Respondent contends that - when its responsible supervisor refused to permit Complainant Union's- representative to be present during the particular worker's purported "fact-finding" confrontation with a company supervisor -- the statute was in no wise violated. B. Facts 1. Background a. Respondent 's managerial hierarchy Respondent distributes petroleum products, nationwide, through a Domestic Sales Department, headed by a corporate vice president and functioning under general directions provided by regional managers. The headquarters departmental staff, further, includes a Supervisor of Employee Relations with nationwide responsibilities; throughout the period with which this case is concerned, D. M. Martin held that post. Respondent maintains nineteen sales divisions, each headed by a divisional sales manager. The Company's Los Angeles Sales Division is headed by Division Sales Manager R. J. Fisher; Jack Sandel functions as Fisher's assistant. The staff, further, includes a divisional supervisor of employee relations; since August 1, 1967, Edward A. Riddle has held that post. Within each sales division, Respondent operates various sales terminals. The presently designated Los Angeles Sales Terminal, located in Wilmington, California, constitutes the particular facility which this case is concerned. Respondent's management team within the Los Angeles Sales Terminal is headed by General Superintendent Carl Walsh; Walsh's subordinates in line supervision include Terminal Superintendent Walter Heimgartner, directly in charge of the "entire" facility. There are two assistant terminal superintendents ; Burt Gallagher provides direct day-shift supervision with respect to terminal truck operators , warehousemen and office personnel , while Guy 977 Slagenweit discharges that responsibility on Respondent's night shift. b Complainant Union's Representative Status Between April 1, 1964, and April 1, 1966, Complainant Union and Respondent had been privy to a collective-bargaining contract which covered certain Los Angeles Sales Terminal workers. Shortly before that contract's termination, however, Respondent had filed a representation petition (Case 21-RM-1230) which had, substantially, challenged Complainant Union's continued right to claim representative status, with respect to workers in the contractually covered group. Their contract, subsequently, was terminated. Following a stipulation for certification upon consent election finally signed on July 31, 1967, the Board's Regional Office conducted a representation vote within a group consensually designated as proper for collective-bargaining purposes. The group was particularly defined as follows All transport truck operators, package truck operators, and warehousemen at the Employer's Long Beach, California, Sales Terminal, excluding all other employees, office clerical employees, professional employees, watchmen, guards, and supervisors as defined in the Act. On August 17, a majority of Respondent's workers within the described group designated and selected Complainant Union as their representative for collective-bargaining purposes. Shortly thereafter, on August 25th, specifically, Complainant Union was formally certified as their exclusive collective-bargaining representative Throughout this period - during August and September, 1967, particularly Complainant Union and Respondent had no collective-bargaining agreement. Credible testimony proffered for the record warrants a determination, nevertheless, that Respondent's management, pursuant to policy, did continue to recognize the right of company workers - within the unit covered by Complainant Union's previously held contract - to present and process grievances "individually or through their representatives" with procedure defined by their terminated agreement, short of final, tripartite, Board of Review determination 2. The suspension of Prince Edmond C. Prince, Respondent's worker with whom this case is directly concerned, began his service with the company on June 2, 1966; when the situation giving rise to this case developed - 6 days after Complainant Union's certification, on August 31, 1967, specifically - he was a truckdriver at Respondent's Los Angeles Sales Terminal, serving within the bargaining unit which Complainant Union represented. Prince was then working a 10-hour evening shift commencing at 5 p.m. 4 days per workweek; these days were Sunday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, specifically. On Thursday, August 31, the truckdriver reported for work pursuant to schedule; Respondent's day shift dispatcher had designated him to drive a tractor and tank trailer with a full load of gasoline. Following a routine 15-minute equipment safety check, however, Prince prepared a formal "Truck Operator's Report of Repairs or Service Needed on Motor Equipment" with respect to certain mechanical deficiencies which he had noted. 978 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD (Previously , between July 5, 1967, and August 27, Prince had submitted thirteen such forms , with respect to purported equipment deficiencies requiring service, adjustment or repair , on Respondent ' s motor vehicles.) His specifications regarding the repairs or service needed read : "( 1) Mud flap on left side of trailer bad. (2) Rubber fender on right side of trailer is broken off. (3) Bad tires on trailer , one flat ." The report was given a company mechanic at Respondent 's terminal . Though it purported to cover a tractor and trailer unit , Prince's report requested work confined merely to the trailer More particularly , relative to specifications ( 1) and (2) Respondent 's truck driver claimed that his trailer's left rear rubber mud guard had an 8 - inch vertical gash, and that a supplementary three and one - half inch rubber side extension , affixed to the trailer 's right rear metal fender, had been substantially "pared away" or "broken off" toward the rear. Following his receipt of Prince ' s report, one of Respondent ' s mechanics reported that he did not have the parts to repair the mud guard flap or fender extension, though both tires designated " bad" would be replaced. The tires were, thereupon , changed . Notation was made on Prince's report that a new rubber fender was on order. The truck driver , thereupon , reported his trailer's condition to his immediate supervisor , Assistant Terminal Superintendent Slagenweit . More particularly , he noted that replacement parts for the mud flap and rubber fender edge were not available , declaring his "hope" that Slagenweit would not , therefore , expect him to drive the defective trailer Respondent 's assistant terminal manager, having checked the trailer , made no reply. When the trailer ' s tires were changed , Prince reiterated his contention that his equipment wasn 't "ready" yet Slagenweit disagreed - - but Prince noted , once more, that the damaged mud guard and fender edge had not been replaced . He declared that California's Vehicle Code made the operation of vehicles in such condition illegal. Slagenweit , nevertheless , directed him to drive the vehicle. When Prince refused -- citing the possibility that the trailer ' s presence on the highway might create hazards for nearby vehicles and cause him trouble Respondent's assistant terminal superintendent minimized the significance of the reported defects; he declared that the trailer "could be driven" that night . The truck driver suggested his willingness to handle a different vehicle; Slagenweit declared that no other vehicles were available. When Prince persisted in refusing to haul the purportedly defective trailer , Slagenweit directed him to go home; he was told to report for a talk with Terminal Superintendent Heimgartner at 10 a.m . the following morning Prince was , further , told to consider himself suspended without pay, pending his talk with Respondent 's terminal superintendent The tractor -trailer combination remained in Respondent 's yard, loaded, until approximately 10:20 p.m when another truck operator hauled the trailer to its destination , returning thereafter without incident. The following morning , September 1, when Heimgartner reached Respondent 's terminal , he received Slagenweit ' s written "memorandum letter" report relative to Prince's suspension . Inter alia , that report characterized Prince as being "very conscientious" with respect to reporting defects, but "too willing to ask for on the spot repairs" for items which would not affect truck safety. Further , Slagenweit 's report noted that: There will be much interest among the drivers concerning the outcome of this suspension . Length of suspension was this date only pending your review. So far as the record shows, Slagenweit 's report constituted Heimgartner 's first notice regarding the matter . Promptly, he together with General Superintendent Walsh presumably -- made a personal inspection of the purportedly defective trailer which Prince had refused to haul; his inspection confirmed the presence of physical defects with respect to the mud flap and fender extension, consistent with Slagenweit 's report . Thereupon, Heimgartner directed Assistant Terminal Superintendent Gallagher , together with Division ' s assistant motor inspector , Carl Tietz, to take the tractor and trailer in question to a California Highway Patrol station for inspection The combination was driven - shortly after 8:00 o'clock to a truck inspection station on the nearby San Diego Freeway, where it was checked by a California Highway Patrol officer. The latter was asked whether the trailer's use, with a damaged left rear mud flap and right rear fender extension , would be "illegal" and whether a defective equipment citation would be likely. The patrol officer repled that - should the trailer be presented for inspection at his station while he was on duty -- he would not issue a traffic citation against the driver, or with respect to the trailer ' s equipment , based upon its then current condition. (The Motor Vehicle Code of California , Section 27600, provides that: "No person shall operate any motor vehicle, trailer , or semi-trailer unless equipped with fenders, covers , or devices , including flaps or splash aprons, or unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or mud to the rear of the vehicle." Further, Section 24002 declares "unlawful" the operation of "any vehicle or combination of vehicles" not equipped as the Code requires . Substantially , Gallagher and Assistant Motor Inspector Tietz were told -- by the particular Highway Patrol officer they consulted - that he would not consider the trailer ' s mud flap or rubber fender extension defective , within the meaning of these Code provisions . The record , however, does reflect Gallagher ' s further testimony that the patrol officer in question declared it quite possible that "some other officer at some other duty station" might issue a citation for defective equipment , or a warning regarding defective equipment, with respect to Respondent 's trailer. Gallagher was told that, should such a citation be given , Respondent would be given a period of fourteen days within which to make required repairs; further he was told that no citation would be given the driver concerned , but merely a defective equipment warning notice.) When Gallagher reached Respondent ' s Los Angeles Sales Terminal with this report, Heimgartner referred him to Slagenweit ' s memorandum , and requested that he conduct the conference with Prince which had been scheduled for 10 that morning , to obtain the driver's version with respect to what had taken place the night before, and to "verify " Slagenweit 's report. The terminal superintendent then left for a Long Beach meeting which he had previously been committed to attend. 3. Management 's "Fact-Finding " investigation Shortly before his scheduled 10 o'clock conference, Prince telephoned Respondent 's terminal; Gallagher, with whom he spoke, was told that the driver would be unable to report as requested , since he had no means of transportation . Their meeting was postponed, by mutual TEXACO, INC. 979 consent, until 2 p.m. that day. Before 'noon, however, Prince's transportation problem was resolved; thereupon, he 'proceeded, first, to Complainant Union's Long Beach office. There, he detailed his previous night's contretemps with Slagenweit to William R. Boldt, Complainant Union's agent and organizer. (Boldt had held that position' with Complainant Union since the beginning of August 1967; prior thereto, he had been, himself, employed at Respondent's Los Angeles Sales Terminal serving as a truck driver.) Prince declared that he ' felt he had been unjustly suspended; he said that he would like someone from Complainant Union with him for his scheduled conference at Respondent's terminal . Complainant Union's representative - though he pointed out that their local had no contract with Respondent currently in force - agreed to accompany him. Complainant Union's representative, however, then telephoned Respondent's Assistant Division Sales Manager, Jack Sandel. Following references to some prior discussion - regarding a mass discharge situation which had been resolved through arbitration - the Union representative reported that Prince had been "unjustly" suspended for claimed insubordination, bottomed upon his refusal to drive a defective vehicle; Sandel was asked whether he thought such treatment of Prince was right. The assistant divisional sales manager's testimony regarding his response, which I credit, reads as follows: I told him that, well, I had not heard the facts of the case, other than what he,had given me; that I would have to await the report from the plant supervision; that this was a normal circumstance , that when an employee is insubordinate , he' would be suspended until a proper investigation could be conducted ' and allow management time to arrive at a decision. [Emphasis supplied.] In response to Boldt's further questions, Sandel declared that Prince would have to contact Heimgartner regarding his possible return to duty, since the firm's "decision" would "come back" through the latter. Thereafter, shortly after noon , Prince again telephoned Gallagher; he requested an immediate conference since his transportation problem had been solved. When Gallagher demurred, declaring that their conference should be held at 2 o'clock as rescheduled, the truck driver asked whether a Union representative could come with him. Respondent 's assistant , terminal superintendent , however, stated that their discussion's only purpose would be to obtain his (Prince's) version of what had taken place; that the matter was being investigated; and that management merely wanted to give him a chance to present his side of the case. Accordingly, Gallagher declared he saw no reason why anyone else should be present. Prince, thereupon, handed the telephone to Boldt; the latter reported Prince's prior request for his company, declaring that he merely wanted to "come in and sit in" during the meeting with "no intention of interfering " therein. Gallagher, however, reaffirmed his prior statement that Respondent 's management merely wanted Prince 's version regarding what had occurred, and that there was, therefore, no reason - why the truck driver should be accompanied by Complainant Union's representative. While their conversation was in progress, Heimgartner returned; Gallagher ' reported Boldt's request. Heimgartner, likewise, declared that he saw no reason for Boldt to come with Prince, since he (Heimgartner) was merely investigating the situation and wanted to get Prince's version and "confirmation" with respect to Slagenweit's report. Boldt was advised with respect to Heimgartner's position. Some 15-20 minutes thereafter - so I find - Prince reached Respondent's terminal; despite their prior 2 o'clock consensus, he met with both Heimgartner and Gallagher promptly. Respondent's terminal superintendent began their discussion. Holding a document which he described as Slagenweit's report, he declared that he would "investigate" that report thoroughly. He noted, then, that Slagenweit had reported Prince's suspension because of his refusal to drive certain designated equipment the previous evening; the driver was then invited to give his version. He confirmed his refusal, declaring that he had refused to drive the tractor-trailer combination noted because it had appeared to him that "the truck was unsafe" within the Vehicle Code's meaning, so that its highway operation would not be legal; further, he mentioned that Respondent's guidebook for drivers said "something" about taking out trucks considered unsafe. The driver described some accident hazards which the defective trailer's operation might entail. Heimgartner, so his credible testimony shows, then asked whether Prince had had any further reason for his refusal The driver replied negatively. Respondent's terminal superintendent then noted, inter alia, that Prince's comment regarding the trailer's purportedly "unsafe" character represented his personal opinion merely. The driver was told that his suspension, then current, would continue pending further investigation and that he would be informed when management's investigation was concluded and a final decision reached. Later that afternoon - following a conference with General Superintendent Walsh to be noted - Heimgartner made arrangements for photographs of the purportedly defective trailer to be taken; these photographs, subsequently taken for Respondent's file, have been made part of the present record. 4. The discharge of Prince Shortly following his meeting with Prince, Heimgartner reported the day's developments - with respect to Prince's suspension - to General Superintendent Walsh. The latter was told of Prince's confirmation regarding his refusal to drive the tractor-trailer combination; further, Heimgartner reported the California Highway Patrol officer's reaction, which had been relayed by Gallagher previously. When proffered as Respondent's witness, Respondent's terminal superintendent first testified that - during their conversation - no "decision" regarding Prince's situation was reached. However, General Superintendent Walsh's subsequent testimony regarding his conversation with Heimgartner, which I credit, concluded as follows. Well, after all the discussions were concluded before we left, Mr. Heimgartner and I discussed what disposition should be made in Mr. Prince's case, and Mr. Heimgartner stated that in his opinion Mr. Prince had refused to perform a duty ordered by a supervisor, and he was subject to discipline up to and including discharge, and I agreed with him. Consistently, Heimgartner's testimony in cross-examination reflects his concession - finally - that he had proffered his "opinion" or "recommendation" that Prince's conduct constituted insubordination which merited discipline, including discharge. Respondent's general superintendent declared that the situation relative to Prince's possible discipline would be "taken up" with 980 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Assistant Divisional Sales Manager Sandel, and that Heimgartner would be advised regarding whatever decision was reached. On the morning of the following business day, Tuesday, September 5, Walsh visited Sandel at Respondent's Los Angeles divisional headquarters ; Respondent ' s assistant divisional sales manager was told , inter alia, that Heimgartner and he (Walsh) were agreed that Prince merited discharge. When Sandel asked Walsh whether Respondent had sufficient grounds for discharge, in Prince's case, the latter replied that he "did feel" the truck driver's outright refusal to comply with a supervisor's direction constituted a sufficient ground for dismissal. (Sande) had, during their conversation, requested the facts, Walsh, so his testimony shows, had recapitulated them ) Respondent ' s assistant divisional sales manager, thereupon, declared his concurrence. Shortly thereafter, however, while Walsh was still present -- during a transcontinental telephone conversation with Supervisor of Employee Relations Martin in Respondent's Domestic Sales Department headquarters - the assistant divisional sales manager detailed "the Prince case" for Martin's information, together with Walsh's recommendation. Following their conversation, so Walsh testified: Mr Sandel advised me Mr. Martin was in agreement that Mr. Prince should be discharged, and he directed that I have the matter carried to a conclusion. While a witness, Sandel substantially corroborated this testimony. His telephone call to Supervisor of Employee Relations Martin had been previously placed primarily so that they could discuss a completely different matter, Sandel testified, however, that he "took advantage of the opportunity" thus presented to discuss Prince's case with Martin , though not required to do so, since he considered the latter knowledgeable in labor relations matters. When queried specifically, Sandel declared that Prince was thereafter discharged pursuant to his decision Early that Tuesday afternoon, General Superintendent Walsh returned to Respondent's terminal where Heimgartner was told of Sandel's directive. Respondent's terminal superintendent and Walsh then discussed the steps required to effectuate Prince's termination They decided that Prince would be notified with respect to his dismissal on Thursday, September 7th, and that he would be paid through that date. (Their recitals which I credit in this connection -- reflect two reasons for their decision The California Labor Code provides that wages earned but not yet paid, when a worker is discharged, are considered "immediately" due and payable Walsh and Heimgartner testified that they believed Prince's final paycheck would, therefore, have to be ready for delivery, promptly, following his discharge. However, Respondent's company mail carrier service, which would bring Prince's check from Respondent's Los Angeles Division Payroll Department for presentation, could not be expected to reach the firm's Los Angeles Sales Terminal before 6 p.m. the following day, well into Respondent's second shift. Further, September 7 would be, in any event, the start of Prince's next scheduled work shift.) Following his September 5 consultation with Walsh, Heimgartner completed a standard company form designated "Recommendation for Employment and Changes Affecting Employees" directed to R J. Fisher, Respondent's Los Angeles division sales manager, therein he "recommended" that Prince be discharged for insubordination, since he had "refused to operate truck assigned" pursuant to his supervisor's direction. (During cross-examination , Heimgartner conceded that his firm's decision to discharge Prince had previously been made; further, he conceded that the form now under consideration though it did, technically, call for the Division Manager ' s subsequent concurrence was prepared pursuant to routine for the Division 's personnel records.) Concurrently, Heimgartner completed a payroll department form, required by Respondent's procedure, designating the hours for which Prince should be paid. (Both forms were subsequently consigned to Respondent's company mail carrier service for appropriate delivery.) He then telephoned Respondent's Los Angeles payroll office; he directed one of Respondent's payroll clerks, Vernon Mabry, to prepare, manually, Prince's final check. This was done. Subsequently, Prince's check was delivered in due course to Respondent's mail carrier; it reached the firm's Los Angeles Sales Terminal on September 6, at approximately 6 o'clock During the morning of September 7, Respondent's terminal superintendent personally telephoned Prince, the latter was requested to report directly to Heimgartner's office at 5:30 p.m. that day, when he would normally report for work. (Prince, while a witness, testified - mistakenly I find that General Superintendent Walsh had called him. Heimgartner, however , volunteered -- during his testimony subsequently - that when he telephoned, he had identified himself with his first name, Walt, rather than with his last name; this, within my view, probably explains Prince's mistaken conclusion.) When he appeared, pursuant to Heimgartner's request, the latter with Walsh present - told him that, following their investigation, Respondent had reached a decision to discharge him for insubordination, bottomed upon his refusal to obey a supervisor's order Prince was paid so the record seems to show -- through September 7, his check covered the shift which he would have started to work that day, but for his discharge. 5. Complainant Union's grievance Meanwhile within a letter dated September 6, directed to Terminal Superintendent Heimgartner, which the latter received during the morning of September 7 prior to Prince's discharge - the Complainant Union had lodged a grievance with respect thereto. The letter which Bill Boldt had signed - read as follows. This is to notify you of the filing of a grievance by Teamsters Local 692 in behalf of Transport Operator Ed Prince on two counts: 1st - because of the unjust suspension on or about August 31, 1967 and 2nd -- because of your refusal to allow him to be represented by a union agent at a conference held in your office on or about September 1, 1967 to discuss said suspension With a letter dated September 15, Heimgartner replied. Boldt was told that Complainant Union's grievance was denied for lack of merit, but that should he wish, Respondent would be willing to discuss the matter further. Thereafter, pursuant to Boldt's request, the parties set a September 20 conference at Heimgartner's office. Boldt, Prince, and Jim Reynolds, Complainant Union's yard steward at Respondent's terminal, were present. Walsh, Heimgartner and Edward Riddle, Respondent's divisional supervisor of employee relations, were management's spokesmen; Dave Jacobson, senior clerk at Respondent's TEXACO, INC. 981 terminal , took notes. (The testimony proffered with respect to this conference reflects little or no disagreement in matters of substance. Several witnesses , however , revealed variant or deficient recollections regarding the chronological sequence of particular devlopments. My summary, which follows, represents a substantially complete recapitulation, based upon testimonial syntheses which - within my view - comport with logical probability.) Substantially , Boldt restated Prince's grievance ; Riddle recapitulated Respondent's position that the driver's grievance lacked merit . Complainant Union's representative conceded that the driver ' s suspension without pay no longer presented a viable question, since Respondent had paid him in full for whatever work time he had lost through suspension, prior to his discharge. Regarding Prince ' s representation directly following his suspension , however , Boldt contended that Respondent's management and Complainant Union's spokesmen should have handled matters together ; when Heimgartner declared that "the company [had not been] contemplating any action" disadvantageous to Prince when he was summoned for their September 1st conference, Complainant Union 's representative countered that Prince had previously been suspended, that he was later discharged, and that Respondent , therefore , must have been "contemplating " disciplinary action with respect to him. Respondent ' s management representatives (Walsh and Heimgartner) stated their disagreement ; Riddle's corroborative testimony in this respect, which I credit, reads as follows: I believe it was Carl [Walsh] that said we did not have to have a Union representative present when we were counseling with our people ; that if they wanted a Union representative present and asked for it at the time we were to take action , that possibly it would be all right, but if they asked for it, we would give it. [Emphasis supplied] Subsequently , Riddle explained his testimonial reference to counseling ; his witness-chair recital meant , so I find, that Boldt was told , whether in words or substance, that, "When you investigate and talk to the man and get his side of the story," management did not feel it necessary to have Union men present. During their , discussion , so the record shows, Complainant Union ' s representative - directing his remarks to Prince ' s final discharge - mentioned the latter ' s refusal to drive Respondent 's tractor-trailer combination ; he noted Complainant Union's position that, under California's Motor Vehicle Code provisions, the trailer which Prince had been directed to haul would not have met legal standards . Heimgartner replied that the trailer had been "Checked" within Respondent ' s garage; that it had subsequently been checked through a California Highway Patrol station; that there had been nothing "much" wrong with its condition ; and that no danger would have been presented had Prince hauled it pursuant to Slagenweit ' s August 31 directive . Following a brief recess -- during which Boldt was permitted to see the purportedly defective trailer , with respect to which the defective rubber mud flap had been replaced - the Complainant - Union ' s representative suggested or requested Prince's reinstatement. Walsh , however , replied that the driver had been discharged because Respondent's management "could not tolerate" insubordination; under the circumstances , Boldt was told Respondent would not reinstate him. (While a witness, Complainant Union's representative ascribed this remark to Heimgartner; the latter, likewise, recalled a reference to Prince's discharge for insubordination. With due regard for this record, however, the likelihood that Walsh made the particular comment noted seems greater; I have so found.) Boldt countered with a comment that no management representative had mentioned "insubordination" when Prince was first suspended, nor was his conduct so characterized during Heimgartner's September 1st conference. Complainant Union's representative then renewed his contention that some union representative should have been present during Prince's September 1 interview. Riddle and Walsh, however, merely reiterated Respondent's position that no Union presence could properly have been considered necessary, since management, then, had merely wanted "to get his [Prince's] side of the story" for investigative purposes. On November 3, Boldt wrote Heimgartner that Complainant Union was grieved with respect to Prince's so-called unjust and unlawful discharge. Within a reply dated November 15, Heimgartner denied the grievance He declared, however, that - should Boldt still consider the grievance meritorious and desire to discuss the matter - management representatives would be willing to meet with him for that purpose. Complainant Union's representative, however, made no further effort to process Prince's complaint, thereafter, pursuant to grievance procedures defined within Complainant Union's previously terminated contract. The defective rubber fender on Prince's trailer was finally replaced on November 29. 6. Subsequent developments Complainant Union's original charge herein, previously noted, contained allegations that Respondent had refused to bargain, discharged Prince discriminatorily because of his union activity, and generally had interfered with, restrained and coerced terminal workers. On December 15, 1967, the Board's Regional Director partially dismissed Complainant Union's charge; more particularly, he dismissed - for lack of sufficient evidence - that portion which pertained to Prince's purportedly discriminatory termination. Following Complainant Union's January 4, 1968, appeal, with respect to this partial dismissal, the General Counsel, through Irving M. Herman, his Office of Appeals director, rejected Complainant Union's contention. Complainant Union was advised that no sufficient basis could be found for a determination that Prince's discharge constituted a Section 8(a)(3) violation. C. Discussion 1. The issue restated The statute, generally, requires employers to deal with their workers' chosen representative with respect to matters affecting wages, hours, and working conditions. More particularly, collective bargaining when required pursuant to statute - has further been held to compass discharge or discipline situations, since such matters do, manifestly, relate to working terms and conditions. National Licorice Company v. N.L.R.B., 309 U.S. 350, 360. Thus, when management "deals" directly with represented workers, concerning their working terms and conditions more particularly, their probable subjection to discharge or disciplinary treatment - company 982 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD spokesman may, under certain circumstances, be required to grant their requests for union representation. However, this statutory requirement - whenever some determination must be made regarding its purported relevance within a factual context concerned with a worker's possible or potential liability to discipline - presents a threshhold question: Precisely when, absent some specific contractual provision, does that worker's statutory right to be represented by his recognized or certified bargaining agent - with which may be coupled that agent 's right to function as his representative - develop, vest or materialize? Or more particularly should the statute be presently construed to require that workers, within a represented plant, must be granted, pursuant to request, rights to seek and procure help from their recognized bargaining representative, whenever management proposes to require their presence during a purported "investigative interrogation" which looks toward their possible discipline or discharge? These questions have, thus far, received limited decisional treatment. Statutory representation rights within such a context -- so General Counsel presently contends - materialize or vest whenever the employer-employee relationship has reached a point with respect to which some management decision or conduct - likely to affect the worker's job tenure or working conditions - has become reasonably probable, not merely possible. Texaco, Inc., Houston Producing Division, 168 NLRB No. 49. More particularly, General Counsel suggests that - within a probable disciplinary situation statutory representation rights materialize, pursuant to request: (1) Whenever, during management's preliminary consideration, the particular worker or workers concerned have "come into the focus of prospective discipline" with good reason to fear their subsequent subjection thereto; or (2) Whenever management has commenced proceedings - formal or casual - which would clearly "conclude a case" and "build a record" calculated to support a disciplinary decision previously reached. Within the Board's brief, directed to the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in connection with Respondent's petition to review Texaco Inc., Houston Producing Division, supra, such proceedings are characterized as pregrievance disciplinary situations. For present purposes, General Counsel would contend, merely, that, under such circumstances, the worker's statutory right to representation vests solely pursuant to request, rather than by force of law without a request. We need not, therefore, determine herein whether the statute requires management to give a worker's recognized or certified representative both notice and opportunity for hearing, before some disciplinary decision is reached or disciplinary action taken. This Board has, however, recognized that collective-bargaining representatives need not be made privy to management's councils. Determinations have been made that represented workers cannot claim a statutory right to procure their collective-bargaining spokesman's presence or help, shielding them from company questions, whenever management has commenced a mere "fact-finding" investigation to determine whether plant discipline has been breached. Chevron Oil Company, 168 NLRB No. 84; Jacobe-Pearson Ford, Inc., 172 NLRB No. 84. General Counsel would, herein, distinguish these cases. He contends that - when Prince was summoned to confer with Respondent's terminal superintendent he was not merely solicited to proffer his version of the reported contretemps with his supervisor; substantially, General Counsel suggests that Respondent's management was, then, realistically committed to Prince's discipline. Within their brief, however, Respondent's counsel counters that - when Prince was directed to see Respondent's terminal superintendent - their conference constituted merely: an investigatory meeting in which an employee [Prince] [was] afforded an opportunity to present his side of the story with respect to alleged misconduct by him.... With matters in this preliminary "fact-finding" posture, so Respondent contends, management's denial of Prince's request for union representation cannot legitimately be considered a deprivation of statutory rights. Factually, counsels' brief declares, this Board's last-noted decisions (Chevron Oil and Jacobe-Pearson Ford) should be considered completely dispositive for present purposes. 2. Review The decisional principles proffered as determinative with respect to this matter - when dispassionately considered raise many questions The labor-management relations problem which this case presents cannot be properly resolved - within my view through a determination , merely, that Texaco, Inc., Houston Producing Division, on the one hand, or Jacobe-Pearson Ford, Inc., on the other, must be considered controlling precedents . Such a simplistic decision , buttressed with nothing more than facile rationalization, would provide no guidance for future cases. This trier of fact, therefore , finds himself - preliminarily - constrained to review General Counsel's proposed rule of decision , herein. First. This Board 's relevant decisions, read in sequence, suggest a basic premise that when "plant discipline" situations develop - confrontations between the concerned worker or workers and management representatives will be either fact - finding conferences, or record - building proceedings calculated merely to justify a disciplinary decision with respect to which management stands committed . Realistically , however , that premise - within my view - creates a false dichotomy. When workers are summoned for conferences by a supervisor, management ' s purpose - at least at the outset - may well be quite different . For example : the worker may have been summoned merely to discuss some job-related procedure , problem or difficulty with respect to which his cooperation is sought . He may have been called to receive supervisory exhortation, job instruction or training directives which lower - level supervisors may have considered necessary ; he may have been summoned for some verbal admonition or reprimand with respect to conduct considered detrimental to production or plant order . Such confrontations can hardly be considered "fact- finding" meetings; neither, however, can they be considered disciplinary proceedings, within common parlance. Nevertheless, such conferences - clearly - may concern matters which significantly "affect" the worker ' s conditions of employment. Cf Robertshaw Controls Co v. N L.R.B , 386 F.2d 377, 385-386. Thus, the Board's present rule of decision - since it presumptively would require the categorization of worker-supervisor conferences as either purely "investigatory" conferences or "disciplinary" proceedings reflects seeming disregard for the multifarious facets of industrial life. TEXACO, INC. 983 Second : The decisional doctrine now in question - when proffered as dispositive with respect to cases which clearly involve some worker 's liability to discipline - would seemingly require a fragmented review of management ' s conduct , which can hardly be considered realistic . Problems of plant discipline , normally, require resolution through a three-step process : (1) The relevant 'facts" must be found ; (2) management must then decide whether these "facts" reflect a disturbance of business goals or plant order sufficiently serious to warrant some disciplinary reaction ; (3) some decision must be reached regarding the degree of discipline which the situation requires . Substantially , therefore , management must pursue a conventional judgmental process. (Similarly, this Board ' s decisional process requires determinations as to what relevant and material facts have been proven , whether such proven facts constitute a violation of law , and what remedy may properly be required to redress the violations found.) In many cases - possibly even in this case , despite a seeming record showing to the contrary - the power to make these three required determinations may be vested in some single management representative ; further, such determinations may be made during a single meeting or conference with the worker or workers concerned . In such cases, this Board ' s decisional rule - since it would seemingly require a trifurcate division of management's disciplinary function , denying concerned workers any right to representation during the first step , but confirming their statutory representation rights during the second and third steps - may require case-by-case decisions bottomed upon a conceptual scheme not normally comprehended or followed in management practice. Third : The relevant Board decisions , noted , provide little guidance with respect to certain collateral, but significant questions . For example : Who shall determine - within the context of a presumptive disciplinary situation - that the concerned worker ' s right to representation , coupled with his recognized representative ' s right to function , has really arisen or matured? Specifically , who shall determine , prospectively, whether a scheduled conference , for which the worker has been summoned , was scheduled for purely "fact-finding" purposes, or whether a firm ' s responsible management stands precommitted to some sort of disciplinary response? Further , precisely how shall such determinations - regarding a conference 's purpose - be reached? Let us consider these questions. Assuming , arguendo , that a concerned worker's personal view , or that of his collective bargaining representative - with respect to a scheduled conference's purpose - may be persuasive or determinative, does the statutory right with which we are presently concerned accrue merely because the worker claims or professes a subjective "feeling" that his representative's presence would be necessary or desirable? Should a worker 's inner fear that the "cards are stacked " with respect to prospective discipline - whether or not he manifests such fears contemporaneously - dictate or require management 's concurrence with his consequent request for Union help? These last questions , presumably , call for negative responses . Cf. N.L.R.B. v. Ross Gear & Tool Company, 158 F.2d 607 , 613. My colleague, Trial Examiner Christensen , has suggested that a worker 's right to representation does not arise , regardless of his request, when the record shows that - at the time he made his request - he did not know , but merely suspected, that management was summoning him to conduct a disciplinary interview Southwestern Pipe Inc., 23-CA-2465 (TXD). On the other hand - assuming, arguendo, that management's view regarding a scheduled conference's purpose may be persuasive or determinative, should a bargaining representative's right to be present during scheduled "pre-grievance" conferences be dependent merely upon management's subjectively held or baldly professed position relative to whether or not its corporate "mind" has been "made up" regarding possible discipline? Suggestions may be found within the decided cases that management' s unilateral declarations regarding the purpose behind a conference call may possess some probative weight; the question of their persuasive power, however, cannot be considered settled. The Board's recent cases suggest that claimed statutory rights, like those with which we are here concerned, vest or materialize when management's course of conduct with respect to some job or plant situation provides objective manifestations sufficient reasonably to justify the conclusion that a disciplinary reaction, regarding the concerned worker or workers, will be forthcoming. Such a test, however, necessarily presupposes the ultimate participation of some disinterested arbiter, qualified to determine whether some particular factual situation reasonably warranted a conclusion that timely requests for the bargaining representative's presence during a worker-management conference, should have been granted. And, since we deal, herein, with a statutory question - namely, the scope of the employer's bargaining duty in the absence of some collective-bargaining contract - this Board must, necessarily, fill the designated arbitral role. Substantially, this means that - when confronted with a factual situation like that revealed within the present record - the various parties must be free to take whatever positions they deem proper regarding the bargaining representative's claimed right to be present and participate during worker-management conferences. Then, should the bargaining representative's claimed right be denied, management 's position may be subject to subsequent, post facto, review in Board proceedings, with a consequent possibility that - should Respondent's management be found mistaken, retrospectively, regarding the propriety of its course - disciplinary action previously taken may be reversed , and status quo ante conditions restored. A rule of law which requires respondent employers to grant or deny requests profferred by workers or their bargaining representatives, with their decisions bottomed upon "guesswork" regarding the view which this Board may subsequently take concerning their state of mind, can hardly be considered a reliable guideline for conduct. Fourth • The decided cases do not - yet - define the degree of prospective discipline which, when contemplated by management, generates the statutory right with which this case is concerned. Presumably, workers summoned for mere discussions regarding their job performance or plant problems will not have been considered candidates for potential discipline. Similarly, workers summoned for supervisory exhortation, job instructions or directives for future conduct can hardly be considered as receiving disciplinary treatment. Should management's purpose to proffer some verbal admonition or reprimand be considered disciplinary in character, however, sufficient to require a recognition of the concerned worker's right to Union support when requested? With respect to this question's resolution, we have no clue. 984 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Possibly, workers summoned for formal warnings, whether written or verbal, may be considered privileged to claim the statutory right for which General Counsel presently contends. Such warnings, frequently, may adversely "affect" future chances for merit raises or promotion; likewise, they may magnify a worker's vulnerability to subsequent layoff or discharge. Clearly - under the cases - when management can be found committed to disciplinary action compassing such "real" modifications of job tenure as transfer, punitive suspension without pay, or discharge, the statutory right with which we are now concerned would be recognized. What reciprocal rights and duties should this Board declare, however, if the record reveals management's prior tentative commitment to some nondisciplinary response - when confronted with a given plant situation - subsequently modified to discipline during a scheduled conference with the worker or workers concerned? (One management consultant has suggested that, when this occurs during a so-called preliminary "fact-finding" meeting, management might be well advised to reverse any prior decision that the worker concerned was not entitled to union representation. Robert A. Levitt, "Practical Problems in the Handling of Grievances and Labor Arbitrations" [excerpts] 69 LRR 312,315.) This Board's present rule of decision - which merely recognizes "investigatory" meetings, on the one hand, and "disciplinary" hearings, on the other hand, without defining these categories - permits no confident determination regarding the rights of workers confronted with management conduct which cannot readily be thus classified. Fifth: This Board's previously prescribed remedy - which General Counsel herein requests - can hardly be considered tailored to present decisional doctrine. The Texaco Inc. Houston Producing Division order prohibits Respondent from refusing to honor a worker's request for representation by his legal bargaining representative: . at any meeting convened by the Employer in which the employee is questioned about, or required to defend himself against, his own alleged misconduct in the course of his duties or occurring on, or in relation to, the Respondent's property. [Emphasis supplied.] Within its brief to the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, the Board describes this order as properly tailored to the particular statutory violation found. However, the quoted language - should it be deemed dispositive without further limitation or qualification in variant factual situations - would seem to proscribe purely fact-finding questions, just as much as it would proscribe accusatory questions calculated to force a confession, conclude a case, or build a record. Similarly, the Board's requirement that Respondent refrain from refusing to honor a worker's request for Union representation when "required to defend himself" would normally seem to compass meetings called for the purpose of procuring his "version" with respect to relevant prior developments. These considerations, within my view, raise several serious questions. First, does this Board's decisional doctrine - as set forth within the three cases previously noted - provide sufficiently realistic and precise standards for the present matter's disposition? Secondly does the present record constitute "elucidating litigation" sufficient to support recommendations regarding the possible refinement, modification or qualification of present decisional standards? Finally, does the Board' s decisional "essay" within the decided cases - presumably calculated to set a statutory standard for worker-union-management relationships in plant discipline situations - comport with or promote statutory objectives? These are questions, primarily, for Board resolution. Since their preliminary consideration, however, seems requisite for this matter's proper disposition, my views, regarding some of them, should be stated. The statute, inter alia , declares its purpose and policy, "to prescribe the legitimate rights of both employees and employers in their relations affecting commerce" and "to provide orderly and peaceful procedures for preventing the interference by either with the legitimate rights of the other" through encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining. Labor Management Relations Act, 1947, as Amended, Section 1(b); Title I, Section 1. The statute, however, defines such favored "collective bargaining " rather broadly, with respect to both matters of procedure and matters of substance. Employers and bargaining representatives are directed, merely, to "confer in good faith" with respect to wages, hours, "other terms and conditions of employment," the negotiation of contracts, and questions "arising" thereunder. The statute neither prescribes those procedures which will satisfy the duty to confer in good faith; nor does it define the occasions when the duty arises. The Supreme Court, when required to determine whether parties may be required to bargain regarding certain "substantive" matters, once described the collective-bargaining process as: - . . . generally considered to absorb and give statutory approval to the philosophy of bargaining as worked out in the labor movement in the United States. [Emphasis supplied.] The quotation comes from Mr. Justice Jackson, speaking for the Court. Order of Railroad Telegraphers v. Railway Express Agency, 321 U.S. 342, 346; cf. H. J. Heinz Company v. N.L.R.B., 311 U.S. 514, 523-526. The latter citation, clearly, suggests that the "collective bargaining" mandated by the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, may be similarly described. Thus - generally speaking - practical industrial experience within the field of labor-management relations may sometimes be relevant and useful in determining the proper scope of the statutory duty to bargain, both with respect to matters of procedure and matters of substance. See N. L.R. B. v. American National Insurance Company, 343 U.S. 395, 408. More recently, however, Mr. Justice Stewart has noted that: . data showing that many labor contracts refer to [particularly designated matters] or that . . . grievances [regarding such matters] are frequently referred to arbitrators under collective-bargaining agreements, while not wholly irrelevant, do not have much real bearing, for such data may indicate no more than that the parties have often considered it mutually advantageous to bargain over these issues on a permissive basis.... Thus, the ultimate question - so Justice Stewart declares - will still be the scope of the duty to bargain as defined by the statutory language . Fibreboard Paper Products Corporation v. N.L.R.B. (Concurring Opinion) 379 U.S. 203, 217-226. That language - so Justice Stewart notes - clearly reflects a Congressional limiting purpose. (With these several considerations in mind, some further reference to this Board's Fifth Circuit brief - previously noted - seems warranted. Therein, the so-called "investigatory hearing" preceding the final imposition of discipline is described as commonplace in TEXACO, INC. 985 present-day industrial relations. The Board further characterizes "union representation of the employee involved" as an essential ingredient of such procedures. Phelps, Discipline And Discharge In The Unionized Firm, (University of California, 1966) pp. 23-25, 29-31, 141; Lapp, How to Hatldle Labor Grievances, (National Foreman's Institute, - Inc., 1945) pp. 46-54. Both texts, however, discuss • particular labor-management relationships in which the concerned worker's right to union representation has been formally recognized by contract; further, both texts cite contractual situations wherein the worker's right to representation must be recognized with respect to proceedings which follow some formal notice from management , regarding proposed discipline or discharge. See Lapp, ibid., pp. 47, 48-49, 278, 280, 295-298, in this connection. Such post-notice consensual procedures can hardly be considered relevant precedents with respect to statutory requirements in situations where no notice of management's disposition or purpose has been given.) Thus, while the parties privy to collective bargaining may permissively negotiate with respect to many matters - such as, for example, the propriety of proposed disciplinary action (calculated to deal with particular job situations) or their respective participatory roles in pregrievance disciplinary procedures - their self-determined consensus , with respect to such matters, will not necessarily determine the statute's thrust, relative to the bargaining representative's status in such situations. Compare Butler v. Thompson, 192 F.2d 831, 2168 (C.A. 8); Broady v. Illinois Central Railroad Company, 191 F.2d 73 (C.A. 7); Brooks v. Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad, 177 F.2d 385, 391 (C.A. 8); Roberts v. Thompson, 101 F.Supp. 775 (D.C., E. Ark), dealing with comparable problems under the Railway Labor Act, in this connection. When defining the scope of statutory "collective bargaining" within this sphere - as in so many others - this Board must, then, balance the statutory "rights" prescribed for workmen against the otherwise broad scope of management "prerogative" so-called. Such a balancing process, necessarily, calls for responsible discretion. And - particularly with regard to the rule of decision with which this case is concerned - certain questions, directed to Board discretion, suggest themselves . Will the statute's purpose be well .served through a rule which merely distinguishes broadly between "fact-finding" proceedings and so-called "disciplinary" confrontations? Would statutory objectives be better served, perhaps, through some Board restraint when dealing with the veritable procedural and substantive "thicket" which such a rule of decision could, conceivably, generate? And should the Board - therefore - decide to refrain from efforts to define precisely when statutory "rights" may be claimed in potential plant discipline situations? Or - to state the matter differently - should collective-bargaining representatives and employers .be left free to determine, empirically, for themselves - through particularized grievance settlements or negotiated contract provisions - their respective roles in so-called "pre-grievance" disciplinary matters? See M. S. Ryder, "Some Concepts Concerning Grievance Procedure," Vol. 7, Labor Law Journal, January 1956, p. 15; Monthly Labor Review, "Grievance Procedures Under Collective Bargaining," August 1946, p. 175. Compare: Sydney Lens, "Meaning of the Grievance ' Procedure," Harvard Business Review, November 1948, p. 713; Factory Management and Maintenance, "Making Discipline Stick - With Union Backing ," April 1956, pp. 92-93; Jones, "The Supervisor and the Disciplinary Process in a Unionized Setting," Personnel Administration, January-February 1963, p. 42, plus various references therein cited. See, likewise, Davis, "Steps Toward a More Flexible Disciplinary Policy," Personnel, May-June 1961, p. 52, in this connection. Certainly, some cogent arguments can be made that Board-formulated standards, declaring the respective statutory "rights" which workers and collective-bargaining representatives may properly claim in potential disciplinary matters - defined and refined through a decisional process - may generally promote the development of rigid (legalistic) techniques, rather than flexible (corrective) techniques, for resolving such plant situations. See Chandler, Management Rights and Union Interests, McGraw-Hill, Inc., New York, 1964, Chapter 1, pp. 3, 6, pp. 307-311; Blake, Shepard and Mouton, Managing Intergroup Conflict in Industry, Gulf Publishing Company, Houston, 1964; Jones, Personnel Administration, supra, pp. 45-46. And many students of labor-management relations suggest that stable, productive relations will be better maintained when parties privy thereto switch "from the win-lose trap to problem-solving" with respect to their potential conflicts. For example, Margaret Chandler, op cit, (when setting forth her conclusions regarding a different, but comparable, problem) puts the matter thus: Management rights issues of this type ... are not grand causes, but rather just another aspect of organizational life - symptomatic of problems that can be ameliorated not through legalistic affirmations or denial , but rather through means such as structural adjustments that will eliminate their underlying cause. [Emphasis supplied.] Thus - arguably - governmental strictures calculated to define comparative "rights" may - when put into practice - tend to promote labor-management policies and procedures geared to confrontation rather than cooperation. Should this Board consciously promote such a conceivable development? Further, Board decisional restraint - within this field - may well be more consistent with Congressional purpose than significantly "activist" promulgations. The Labor Management Relations Act, 1947, as Amended, Title II, Section 203, which defines Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service functions, contains a precatory subsection, (d), which reads as follows: Final adjustment by a method agreed upon by the parties is hereby declared to be the desirable method for settlement of grievance disputes arising over the application or interpretation of an existing collective-bargaining agreement. The Service is directed to make its conciliation and mediation services avilable in the settlement of such grievance disputes only as a last resort and in exceptional cases. [Emphasis supplied.] The statutory provision quoted, clearly, cannot be considered language of limitation directly calculated to circumscribe this Board's power, or field of responsibility. Surely, however, the subsection suggests a general Congressional purpose to permit employers and labor unions with established bargaining relationships to fashion their own procedures for dispute settlement and problem-solving with respect to minor intra-plant frictions, through collective dealing free from governmental intervention or statutory sanctions. See Valtin, "Preventive Mediation, Grievance Disputes and 986 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD the Taft-Hartley Act," Vol. 7, Labor Law Journal, December 1956, p. 768, in this connection . Might not a Board decision - clearly within its discretion - which disclaims any statutory mandate to dictate the precise procedure which employers and unions must follow when dealing with "pre-grievance" disciplinary situations, likewise, comport with the general Congressional purpose described? 3. Conclusions Despite these suggested questions regarding the general applicability herein of this Board's relevant decisional doctrine, with particular reference to its present formulation - some disposition of General Counsel's present case, nevertheless, must be made. And, briefly stated, Respondent's course of conduct - reviewed and tested with due regard to present decisional standards - reveals, within my view, no statutory violation. First. If Heimgartner's September 1st conference with Prince must be classified with due regard for those objective manifestations which provide clues regarding its purpose this trier of fact finds himself, on balance, constrained to characterize its thrust as fact-finding, rather than disciplinary. True, Heimgartner had previously received Slagenweit's report; he had, further, received Gallagher's report regarding one California Highway patrolman's view relative to that vehicle's compliance with state Vehicle Code requirements. However, Heimgartner had not yet heard Prince's version, regarding his claimed justification for refusing to handle the trailer. He did not, therefore, know Prince's claimed reason for rejecting Slagenweit's judgment. Consequently, one cannot find - confidently that he believed himself possessed of every relevant "fact" or that he was merely seeking data on which to formulate a recommendation regarding the proper degree of discipline for Prince's dereliction. (In this connection, I note that Slagenweit's report - though fair and completely factual with respect to Prince's refusal to drive Respondent's truck until both remaining defects were corrected - did not mention or summarize the driver's proffered reason for persisting in that refusal when told that his superior considered the truck-trailer "OK" for projected runs. Heimgartner's subsequent course of conduct - particularly when he requested Gallagher to seek the Highway Patrol's viewpoint - suggests that, through managerial expertise, he may well have anticipated Prince's defense; he could not, however, really have known how cogent or persuasive that defense would be.) When reported "insubordination" generates a potential disciplinary situation, the concerned worker's chance to explain or justify his conduct represents an essential part of management's investigation. See, Slichter, Healy and Livernash, The Impact of Collective Bargaining on Management , The Brookings Institution, Washington, D.C., 1960, Chapter 21, "Disciplinary Policies and Procedures," pp. 624-662, at 646-648. Thus, prior to Heimgartner' s meeting with Prince, the former's factual investigation could hardly be considered complete. (I note, further - in this connection - that Prince's viewpoint regarding the purportedly defective trailer's noncompliance with state Vehicle Code requirements could not, reasonably, have been considered captious or frivolous. Cf. Bibb v. Navajo Freight Lines, Inc., 359 U.S. 520, 521-523,' 524, 525-526, 528, in this connection. And Respondent's defensive presentation reflects a concession that Gallagher was told - when he queried the California Highway patrolman - that other patrolmen might, conceivably , deem the trailer in question subject to warning citations.) During their talk, Heimgartner did characterize Prince's position as derived from "opinion " merely. He did not , however , thereby decry its relevance or materiality , but merely its weight when proffered as justification . Further , following Prince 's statement of position , Heimgartner invited the driver to state whatever "other" reason he may have had for his refusal to comply with Slagenweit ' s order . And - when satisfied that nothing further would be forthcoming - the terminal superintendent did not , forthwith , declare his decision; Prince was merely told that a subsequent determination would be made , with respect to which he would be advised. With matters in this posture, determination is warranted , within my view , that Heimgartner 's September 1st meeting with Respondent 's driver was essentially fact- finding in character. Second: Nothing in the record , within my view, would warrant a conclusion that - before the purported "investigatory" conference in question - Company management was, regardless of possible developments therein , precommitted to disciplinary action , with respect to Prince ' s conduct . In that connection, Heimgartner testified, without contradiction , that power of decision - both with respect to whether Prince 's conduct merited discipline , and with respect to what degree of discipline would be warranted lay with Respondent ' s higher supervision. (The record , considered in totality , does perhaps suggest that Respondent 's terminal superintendent may have possessed , at least, the power of effective recommendation with respect to disciplinary matters. I note , in this connection , that, when Heimgartner made his factual report to General Superintendent Walsh regarding Prince's conduct , he further declared his view that such conduct did constitute " insubordination " which warranted discipline , including discharge . This "recommendation" was received, so far as the record shows, without discussion, criticism or comment . Further - when Walsh reported to Sandel thereafter the terminal superintendent ' s broad recommendation was sharpened; Walsh flatly recommended discharge, without mentioning the possibility of less severe discipline . Sandel , however, promptly concurred with Walsh's Draconian recommendation; no determination would be warranted, upon the present record , that lesser disciplinary alternatives were even considered . With matters in this posture, certainly , some contention could be made that Heimgartner ' s claimed lack of formally delegated power "to discharge or to decide as to disciplinary measures" should , perhaps, be considered disingenuous. Any determination , however , that he really possessed such powers, de facto, since Respondent's higher supervision did concur with his recommendation, would rest primarily upon pure supposition . With due regard for Heimgartner's specific disclaimer in that regard , this record , within my view, contains no reliable, probative, or substantial evidence sufficient to warrant its rejection.) Further , should a determination be considered warranted , arguendo , that Heimgartner's subsequent postmeeting recommendation on Prince 's discipline constituted a managerial "decision" with respect thereto, any conclusion that Respondent's terminal superintendent had really "made up his mind" regarding the matter before his conference with Prince would necessarily rest upon inference, merely. TEXACO, INC. General Counsel presently suggests , in this connection, that - because Heimgartner first directed Gallagher to seek "verification" when Prince reported, with respect to Slagenweit's memorandum - he was really "attempting to elicit" some sort of confession. The suggestion, within my view, lacks persuasive power, since, as previously noted, Respondent's driver was likewise solicited to state, additionally, whatever reasons he might have had for refusing to follow directions. Further, General Counsel contends that Heimgartner's supposedly closed mind, with respect to Prince's guilt and liability to discipline, was shown when Respondent's terminal superintendent "proceeded to argue and debate" regarding the merit of Prince's proffered justification. This contention, within my view, reflects hyperbole; the record shows that Heimgartner did no more than mildly characterize Prince's rationale, regarding the relevant California Vehicle Code requirements, as derived from "opinion" merely. Finally, General Counsel points to the fact that Prince's suspension without pay, first set for one day, was subsequently extended following his meeting with Respondent's terminal superintendent. This action, so the argument seemingly runs, reflects a pre-meeting managerial decision, consensus or commitment that some disciplinary reaction would be warranted. The contention fails to persuade. Testimony proffered in Respondent's behalf, which stands herein without dispute or contradiction, warrants a determination that such "interim" suspensions, pending a higher final decision with respect to possible discipline, do not necessarily presage punishment or reprisal. And, whatever conclusions might be considered warranted regarding the significance of suspension without pay in some different situation, this trier of fact is satisfied that Prince's temporary suspension, herein, should be considered a neutral circumstance. Third: Contrary to General Counsel's contention, no persuasive warrant can be found, within the present record, for a determination that Respondent's truck driver - when requested to report for his September 1st conference with Respondent's terminal superintendent - either knew or had reasonable grounds for belief that "he was in jeopardy of losing his job" therein, or suffering some lesser discipline. Nothing in the record suggests that - when Prince telephoned Gallagher, and requested permission to bring Boldt with him - he then knew about Heimgartner's personal trip to view his purportedly defective trailer, or that he knew about Gallagher's consultation with a California Highway patrolman. (Even had he known these developments, Prince would have had no clue that Heimgartner proposed to do any more than discuss his refusal to drive the trailer or restate Respondent's policy regarding the handling of defective equipment, or to warn him against a repetition.) When making his telephone call, Prince knew merely that he had been suspended for "this date only" pending Heimgartner's review. This single fact standing alone - within my view - provided Prince with no "reasonable ground for belief" that Respondent's management was, already, determined to discipline him. Conceivably, a designated "temporary" suspension - within a context of collateral circumstance reasonably sufficient to justify a conclusion that management 's disciplinary determination has already been made -- might well cause a concerned worker to fear discipline. When such a worker, however, lacks knowledge regarding any relevant collateral circumstances, his purported fear that "suspension pending review" presages discharge or lesser discipline can 987 hardly be considered reasonably grounded. (Within the Board's Texaco Inc. Houston Producing Division brief, on Petition to Review - previously noted - two generally comparable cases, wherein related charges of statutory violation were finally dismissed, are distinguished . Electric Motors and Specialties , Inc., 149 NLRB 1432, 1440, Dobbs Houses, Inc., 145 NLRB 1565, 1570-71 The Board notes, within its brief, that neither case involved employees "suspended " prior to their confrontation with management This distinction, however, does not, necessarily , carry a connotation that the fact of suspension, considered in isolation , represents the crucial factor in these cases . Elsewhere within the brief now under consideration the Board notes, particularly, that respondent therein had suspended Alaniz (the worker concerned ) under circumstances which made it unlikely that management thought him innocent . This rationale suggests , certainly , that the significance of suspensions prior to confrontation - that is, their reliability as a sign of management ' s disposition to proceed with disciplinary action - must be considered dependent upon their total context.) And, when Respondent ' s terminal superintendent - following their talk subsequently extended Prince's suspension , he declared specifically that such action was being taken pending a final determination , which would later be communicated . Though Prince was , thereby, clearly put on notice that he might suffer temporary hardship , Heimgartner 's action did not - within my view - create any greater "jeopardy" than Slagenweit 's initial "this date only" suspension had. Fourth: General Counsel , within his summation, has mentioned Respondent's failure to notify Complainant Union when a decision was reached with respect to Prince ' s discharge . Further, General Counsel notes Respondent's failure to invite Complainant Union's representative , when summoning Prince for his termination interview . Such claimed non-feasance, however, cannot be considered part of the statutory violation herein charged. Its significance - assuming, arguendo, that it may be considered relevant and material under any view of this case - derives merely from such light as managerial post facto conduct may reasonably cast upon Respondent ' s prior motivation . And, when evaluated thus, Respondent's failure to solicit or permit Complainant Union's presence when Prince was notified with respect to his discharge can hardly be considered persuasive proof that Heimgartner's September 1st conference had really been "focused " on how to discipline a reportedly recalcitrant driver. D. Conclusions Since I have found the present record insufficient to sustain General Counsel's contention, that Respondent's management violated the statute when it refused permission for Complainant Union's representative to attend Heimgartner's scheduled September 1st conference with Prince, I conclude that General Counsel's Complaint herein merits dismissal, and I will so recommend. CONCLUSIONS OF LAW 1. Texaco Inc., Los Angeles Sales Terminal, is an employer within the meaning of Section 2(2) of the Act, engaged in commerce and business activities which affect commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act, as amended. 988 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 2 General Truck Drivers, Chauffeurs and Helpers, Local 692, International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen & Helpers of America, is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act, as amended, which admits employs of Respondent to membership. 3. General Counsel has not, herein, produced reliable, probative or substantial evidence sufficient to justify a determination that Respondent did engage, or that it presently continues to engage, in unfair labor practices affecting commerce, within the meaning of Section 8(a)(l) or (5) of the Act, as amended. RECOMMENDED ORDER Upon these findings of fact and conclusions of law, and upon the entire record in this case, my recommendation is that the Board, pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended , dismiss the present complaint in its entirety. Copy with citationCopy as parenthetical citation