Lammert IndustriesDownload PDFNational Labor Relations Board - Board DecisionsMay 24, 1977229 N.L.R.B. 895 (N.L.R.B. 1977) Copy Citation LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Lammert Industries, a division of Componetrol, Inc., a subsidiary of I-T-E Imperial Corporation' and District No. 8, International Association of Ma- chinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO. Cases 13-CA-14147, 13-RD-996, and 13-CA-14811 May 24, 1977 DECISION AND ORDER On September 30, 1976, Administrative Law Judge Maurice S. Bush issued the attached Decision in this proceeding. Thereafter, Respondent filed exceptions and a supporting brief, and the General Counsel filed an answering brief in support of the Administrative Law Judge's Decision. The Board has considered the record and the attached Decision in light of the exceptions and briefs and has decided to affirm the rulings, find- ings, 2 and conclusions of the Administrative Law Judge and to adopt his recommended Order, as modified below. ORDER Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Relations Board adopts as its Order the recommend- ed Order of the Administrative Law Judge as modified below and hereby orders that the Respon- dent, Lammert Industries, a division of Compone- trol, Inc., a subsidiary of I-T-E Imperial Corporation, Addison, Illinois, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall take the action set forth in the said recommended Order as so modified: 1. Add the following as the second sentence of paragraph i(p): I Respondent's name appears as amended at reopened hearing on February 3. 1976, 2 In his discussion of Respondent's obligation to bargain at its new facility in Addison the Administrative Law Judge concluded that the unrepresented group from the old Addison factory was accreted into the larger represented group from the Chicago plant, a finding which we adopt. We disavow. however, his statement that, absent the unfair labor practices herein, an election would have been the proper method of resolving the "question of representation" raised. For a finding of accretion precludes the existence of a question concerning representation warranting an election. Considering our longstanding disavowal of the dictum in Telautograph Corporation, 199 NLRB 892 (1972), that the filing of a decertification petition suspends an Employer's bargaining obligation, we disagree with the position of our dissenting colleagues that Respondent herein may rely on Telautograph as a defense to its refusal to bargain with the Union beginning on November 27. 1974. Respondent has excepted to certain credibility findings made by the Administrative Law Judge. It is the Board's established policy not to overrule an Administrative Law Judge's resolutions with respect to credibility unless the clear preponderance of all of the relevant evidence convinces us that the resolutions are incorrect. Standard Dr, Wall Products, Inc., 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd. 188 F.2d 362 (C.A. 3, 1951). We have carefully examined the record and find no basis for reversing his findings. : Cf. A utoprod, Inc., 223 NLRB 773 (1976), where a panel which included Member Penello found an 8(aXS) violation based on the company's 229 NLRB No. 128 "Provided, however, that nothing herein shall be construed to require Respondent to revoke these benefits or any other benefits which have been put into effect prior to this Order." 2. Substitute the attached notice for that of the Administrative Law Judge. MEMBER MURPHY, concurring: I agree with my colleagues' finding that Respon- dent violated Section 8(a)(5) of the Act by refusing to bargain with the Union as of November 27, 1974. 1 consider it unnecessary, however, to pass on Telauto- graph Corporation, 199 NLRB 892 (1972), as I would reach the same result under any view of that case. Thus, under Telautograph, I would find that a decertification petition would justify the Employer's reasonable doubt only if the Employer were aware of the filing and predicated its refusal to bargain upon it. In the case at hand, the refusal to bargain occurred before Respondent was aware of the filing of the petition.3 In addition, the Administrative Law Judge found that, prior to its knowledge of the filing of the petition, Respondent embarked on a campaign of unfair labor practices. Accordingly, under the circumstances present herein, Respondent may not be permitted to rely on the existence of the decertification petition as a defense to its refusal to bargain with the Union. MEMBERS PENELLO AND WALTHER, concurring in part and dissenting in part: We agree with our colleagues' disposition of this case except that we would not adopt the Administra- tive Law Judge's finding that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(5) by refusing to bargain with the Union since November 27, 1974. For on that very day, at a time when Respondent had not engaged in any withdrawal of recognition after a decertification petition was filed because of the context of unlawful conduct. I note, further, that in a recent case involving a Midwest Piping issue (63 NLRB 1060 (1945)), a panel which included Members Penello and Walther found an unlawful withdrawal of recognition although two representation petitions by rival labor organiza- tions were pending and the incumbent union had received the fewest votes in a Board-conducted election as to which objections had been filed and were still pending. Turbodyne Corporation, Gas Turbine Division, 226 NLRB 522 (1976). The distinctions referred to by Members Penello and Walther are nonexistent or totally irrelevant, as is their comment concerning my reference to Midwest Piping. For Autoprod and Turbodyne are cited only as examples of cases in which those Members found that a pending petition was an insufficient basis for withdrawal of recognition even though the employer was aware of its existence, where the reliance on the pendency of the petition occurred in the context of unfair labor practices; and I referred to Midwest Piping only as descriptive of the facts in the Turbodyne case. Far from being distinguishable, they are analogous to the facts herein, where Respondent withdrew recognition at a time when it was not aware of any objective facts on which it could base its asserted reasonable doubt of continued majority status, and it learned of and relied on the pendency of the RD petition only after it embarked on its unfair labor practices. In either situation, the relevant context is that existing at the time the petition was relied on, and I would not permit Respondent in this case to rely on it nunc pro tunc. 895 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD unfair labor practices, a decertification petition was filed with the Board accompanied by a statement showing almost unanimous employee support which raised a question concerning the representation of those employees. And, in Telautograph Corporation, 199 NLRB 892 (1972), it is said: . . . the decertification petition, supported by an adequate showing of interest . . . raised a question concerning representation. In Shea Chemical Corporation, 121 NLRB 1027, the Board established the rule that when a real question concerning representation has been raised by the filing of a petition by a rival union that "an employer may not go so far as to bargain collectively with incumbent (or any other) union until the question concerning representation has been settled by the Board." The same rule should be applied where a real question concerning representation has been raised by the timely filing of a decertification petition. Therefore, even if Respondent did not have knowledge on November 27 of the petition filed that day, it was legally justified in not going "so far as to bargain collectively with incumbent . . . union until the question concerning representation has been settled by the Board."4 By stating that an employer is not relieved of its bargaining obligation by the filing of an RD petition of which it has no knowledge, our colleagues are implicitly finding that such an employer not only may-but must-continue to bargain and possibly sign a contract in the face of a valid question concerning representation. Not only does such a finding negate the concept of employee free choice, but it comes perilously close to directing the employer to commit an unfair labor practice. Nevertheless, we agree to an 8(a)(5) finding, and the issuance of a bargaining order in this case. Beginning on or about December 9, Respondent began its involvement in the commission of numer- ous and serious unfair labor practices, which clearly precluded the holding of a fair decertification election.5 Consistent with Board law,6 we would hold Respondent in violation of Section 8(a)(5) as of December 9, 1974, and require it to bargain with the Union, on the basis of the Union's majority status as found by the Administrative Law Judge, at the new Addison plant.7 4 While we do not consider knowledge of the filing of the decertification petition critical. we note that it is the customary practice of the Regional Offices, immediately upon the docketing of a petition, to notify the employer and all other interested parties of its filing. ' Our concurring colleague cites for comparison purposes Autoprod, Inc.., 223 NLRB 773(1976), and Turbodyne Corporation, Gas Turbine Division, 226 NLRB 552 (1976). Both of these cases are inapposite. In Autoprod, the Board found that the filing of a decertification petition did not justify an employer's decision to terminate negotiations with an incumbent union because the decision to terminate negotiations was made in the context of other unfair labor practices. In the Board's view, those unfair labor practices, which included a refusal to furnish the union with addresses of unit employees, a unilateral wage increase made effective on the day the decertification petition was filed, and bad-faith bargaining, "directly affected all unit employees and could have reasonably been predicted to cause employee dissatisfaction." In the instant case, unlike in Autoprod, Respondent did not suspend bargaining in the "context of its unlawful conduct" since its unlawful conduct did not commence until December 9. 1974, almost 2 weeks after the decertification petition was filed and Respondent refused to bargain. In Turbodyne Corporation, the Board, relying on such cases as Shea Chemical Corporation. 121 NLRB 1027 (1958); G & H Towing Company, 168 N LRB 589 (1%967); and Telautograph Corporation, 199 NLRB 892 (1972), found that an employer violated Sec. 8(a)(5) and (1) of the Act when, following the expiration of a collective- bargaining agreement with an incumbent labor organization, it withdrew recognition from it and failed to "adopt and maintain a neutral position with respect to the competing labor organizations" until the question concerning representation had been resolved. In making this finding, the Board found that the employer therein had instituted certain "basic changes in the collective [-bargaining] agreement" prior to the resolution of the pending question concerning representation. Unlike in Turbodyne Corpora- tion, Respondent in the instant case did maintain a neutral position by suspending bargaining pending resolution of the question concerning representation at least until December 9, 1974, the date on which it commenced its campaign of unfair labor practices and the date from which we would require Respondent to bargain with the Union. We also consider Member Murphy's reference to Midwest Piping to be completely inapplicable. The Midwest Piping doctrine involves the legality of an employer's recognition of one of two or more competing unions, and has absolutely nothing to do with the question of whether an employer's suspension of bargaining is legal. I Trading Port, Inc., 219 NLRB 298 (1975). 7 It follows, of course, that the unilateral grant of benefits on October 1, 1975, also violated Sec. 8(aX5) of the Act. APPENDIX NOTICE To EMPLOYEES POSTED BY ORDER OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD An Agency of the United States Government WE WILL, upon request, recognize and bargain collectively with District No. 8, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Work- ers, AFL-CIO, as the exclusive representative of our employees in the unit described below, with respect to rates of pay, wages, hours of employ- ment, and other conditions of employment and, if an understanding is reached, embody such understanding in a signed agreement. The bar- gaining unit is: All production and maintenance employees employed by Respondent at its relocated factory at 1040 West Fullerton Street, Addison, Illinois, excluding all office em- ployees, clerical employees, professional and technical employees, guards and supervisors as defined in the National Labor Relations Act, as amended. WE WILL make Pedro Ramos and Rodney Mason whole for any loss of earnings they may have suffered by reason of their unlawful termina- tions. 896 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES WE WILL NOT discharge or lay off any employ- ee, or otherwise discriminate against employees because of their membership in, or activities on behalf of, District No. 8, International Associa- tion of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL- CIO, or any other labor organization. WE WILL NOT discharge or lay off any employee or otherwise discipline any employee for engaging in concerted activities for mutual aid or protec- tion with respect to wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment. WE WILL NOT promise money and/or reim- bursement of union fees and dues in order to induce employees to support antiunion charges and abandon support for the Union. WE WILL NOT promise benefits to our employ- ees in order to encourage employees to reject union representation. WE WILL NOT threaten to get rid of the Union. WE WILL NOT order employees to stop their union activity. WE WILL NOT attempt to induce employees to resign their positions with the Union. WE WILL NOT tell employees that the Union acts as a barricade to future benefits. WE WILL NOT threaten to discharge employees who vote for the Union in an election. WE WILL NOT interrogate employees concern- ing their union sentiments and feelings. WE WILL NOT give money to employees in order to induce and/or reward employees for their known or suspected antiunion activities. WE WILL NOT promise greater accessibility to high company officials in order to induce employ- ees to reject union representation. WE WILL NOT solicit employee grievances and promise to adjust them in order to induce employees to reject union representation. WE WILL NOT instruct employees to remove their union buttons and other union material. WE WILL NOT grant you increased benefits in fulfillment of earlier unlawful promises and in order to induce you to reject the Union as your bargaining representative. WE WILL NOT unilaterally change existing terms and conditions of employment without first bargaining about such changes with the Union. WE WILL NOT in any other manner interfere with, restrain, or coerce our employees in the exercise of their rights to self-organization, to form unions, to join, assist, or support District No. 8, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, or any other union, to bargain collectively through representa- tives of their own choosing, or to engage in any other concerted activities for the purpose of mutual aid or protection, as guaranteed by Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, or to refrain from any or all such activities. All our employees are free to become and remain, or to refuse from becoming or remaining, members of District No. 8, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, or any other union. LAMMERT INDUSTRIES, A DIVISION OF COMPONETROL, INC., A SUBSIDIARY OF I-T-E IMPERIAL CORPORATION DECISION STATEMENT OF THE CASE MAURICE S. BUSH, Administrative Law Judge: Of the multitude of issues involved in this consolidated proceed- ing of alleged violations of Section 8(aXI), (3), and (5) of the Act, the parties are agreed that the critical issue is whether an order should be issued under Section 8(aX5) requiring Respondent to bargain with the above-named Union. The complaint in Case 13-CA-14147 was issued on May 22, 1975, pursuant to a charge filed on March 25, 1975. On March 3, 1975, the Regional Director in Case 13-RD-996 issued a "Report on Objections, Order Consolidating Cases and Direction of Hearing" in which he directed that a hearing be held in that RD proceeding to resolve the issues raised by the Union's objections to conduct affecting the results of an election' held on March 7, 1975, in which 10 votes were cast for the Union and 11 were cast against the Union. In his report, the Regional Director further ordered that the hearing in the RD proceeding be consolidated with the hearing in Case 13-CA-14147 for the reason that the Union's objections included allegations which are also the subject of the Union's unfair labor practice charges in Case 13-CA-14147 involving the same parties. At the commencement of the hearing in Cases 13-CA- 14147 and 13-RD-996, the complaint was amended in the manner set forth in General Counsel's Exhibits 1 (p), I (r), and 2. Respondent's answer to the complaint, as amended, denies the alleged unfair labor practices. The hearing in Cases 13-CA-14147 and 13-RD-996 was held in Chicago, Illinois, on August 13, 14, 15, 18, 19, and 20 and September 3 and 4, 1975. The comprehensive and able briefs filed by counsel for General Counsel and by counsel for Respondent,2 together with the Union's The election was held pursuant to a decertification petition filed on November 27. 1974. and to a Stipulation for Certification Upon Consent Election Agreement approved by the Regional Director on February 27, 1975. The Union's objections to the election were filed on March 13, 1975. 2 However, Respondent's 228-page brief does not deal with the 8(a)5) issue raised by the pleadings. 897 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD memorandum brief, have been carefully reviewed and considered. Following the close of the hearing in Cases 13-CA-14147 and 13-RD-996 on September 4, 1975, and after the receipt of the briefs therein, the Regional Director on November 18, 1975, issued a second complaint against Respondent in Case 13-CA-14811, alleging further viola- tions of Section 8(a)(1) and (5) of the Act, pursuant to a second charge filed by the Union on October 24, 1975, against Respondent. Pursuant to motion by General Counsel 3 I issued an order on December 8, 1975, consolidating the new proceeding in Cases 13-CA-14147 and 13-RD-996 and remanding and reopening the newly consolidated proceeding for hearing on Case 13-CA-1481 1 on February 3, 1975. Respondent's answer to the new complaint denies the alleged labor practices. The hearing on the remanded proceeding took place at Chicago, Illinois, on February 3 and 4, 1976. Thereafter, counsel for General Counsel and for Respondent filed timely and substantial supplemental briefs which have been carefully reviewed and considered. The specific issues herein will be stated below under the caption of "Issues." For reasons hereinafter indicated I find Respondent in multiple violation of the Act as alleged in the complaints, as amended, with the exceptions hereinafter noted. In addition I will recommend that Respondent be ordered to bargain with the Union and that the election in Case 13- RD-966 be set aside and that said proceeding be dismissed. Upon the entire record in the case4 and from my observation of the witnesses, I make the following: FINDINGS OF FACT I. JURISDICTIONAL FINDINGS Respondent, Lammert Industries, a division of Compo- netrol, Inc., a subsidiary of I-T-E Imperial Corporation, is a separate corporation organized under the laws of the State of Illinois. Lammert at all times herein material has owned and operated a factory at 221 North Wood, Chicago, Illinois, where it has been engaged in the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. During the calendar year preceding the issuance of the complaints herein, a representative period, Lammert, in the normal course and conduct of its business operations, has received gross revenue in excess of $250,000 and during the course of the same representative period, has purchased and received goods and materials valued in excess of $50,000 from points directly outside the State of Illinois. During the same representative period, Lammert, in the normal course and conduct of its business operations, has sold and directly shipped products valued in excess of $50,000 to points outside the State of Illinois. Lammert admits that it has at all times material been an employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act. :; The grounds for General Counsel's motion was that the allegations of the new complaint in Case 13-CA-1481 I were related to the allegations and the evidence thereof in the earlier complaint in Case 13-CA-14147. 1. THE LABOR ORGANIZATION INVOLVED District No. 8, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, the Charging Party, is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act. II. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES A. Background For 30 or more years, Respondent, a small independent corporation, operated a factory on Wood Street in Chicago where it was engaged in the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. In 1974 and 1975, the time of the alleged violations here involved, the Company employed approxi- mately 21 production and maintenance employees at its Chicago Wood Street facility. Some 30 years ago the Union became the exclusive collective-bargaining representative of the Company's unit of production and maintenance employees at the Wood Street plant. Since 1945 the Union has had many collective-bargaining agreements with the Company covering the above-described unit in the Wood Street factory. The latest collective-bargaining agreement, the one here directly involved, was executed on March 8, 1973, and covered a 2-year period from February 1, 1973, to February 1, 1975. The contract carries the usual provision that the agreement was to be self-perpetuating "from year to year" after its expiration date "unless either party gives written notice of its desire to modify or terminate" the agreement at least 60 days prior to its February 1, 1975, expiration date. The contract was signed in behalf of I-T-E Imperial, the new owners of Lammert Industries. I-T-E Imperial ac- quired Lammert Industries in 1972. The signatures on the collective-bargaining agreement in behalf of I-T-E Imperial are that of Joseph LeBlanc whose title is shown on the contract as executive vice president and general manager, and Earl McGlone whose title is shown as plant supervisor. McGlone had been the Wood Street plant supervisor for some 5 years prior to its takeover by I-T-E Imperial and was kept on by I-T-E Imperial as the Wood Street plant supervisor after the takeover. McGlone was the chief company negotiator of the collective-bargaining agree- ment. Joseph LeBlanc is the executive vice president of Componetrol, Inc., a subsidiary of the parent company. 5 Componetrol, Inc., has direct control and management of four plants, including that of Lammert Industries. When the parent company, I-T-E Imperial, became the owner of Lammert Industries it also acquired as part of the deal a second Lammert factory located on Westwood Avenue in Addison, Illinois, which had started operations in 1969. That plant, like the Chicago Wood Street plant, was also engaged in the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. In 1975, at the time of the alleged violations here involved, the Addison Westwood Avenue factory had seven maintenance production employees. At all times here pertinent, Earl McGlone, Chicago's Wood Street plant supervisor, was also the supervisor of Respondent's 4 Certain errors in the transcripts have been noted and are hereby corrected. See pleadings in Case 13-CA-14811 and findings infra. 898 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Addison's Westwood Avenue plant. Unlike the organized Wood Street facility in Chicago the Westwood Avenue plant in Addison has never been under a union contract. In 1972 when I-T-E Imperial Corporation, the parent company, acquired Lammert Industries, it owned and operated 17 other manufacturing plants located in various States. Five of these 17 facilities operate under union contracts and the remaining 12 plants are nonunion shops. This division between union and nonunion shops remained the same, not counting Lammert Industries, at the time of the hearing in the latter part of 1975 and early part of 1976. The parent company, for administrative purposes, divides its various manufacturing facilities into four "Groups." The group to which Lammert Industries is assigned is called the Componetrol Group and Lammert is known as a division of Componetrol, Inc. As heretofore noted, Joseph LeBlanc, who signed the collective-bargaining agreement here involved, is the executive vice president of Compone- trol, Inc. On or prior to November 27, 1974, 19 employees of the unit here involved at the Wood Street plant in Chicago, signed a document requesting the National Labor Rela- tions Board "to conduct a decertification election with regard to" the Union representing them, the Charging Party herein. On November 27, 1974, a petition was filed with the Board in Case 13-RD-996 herein by an attorney in behalf of Respondent's employees at the Wood Street plant in which the purpose of the petition is stated therein as follows "RD-DECERTIFICATION - A substantial number of employees assert that the certified or currently recognized bargaining representative is no longer their representative." The document represents that the petition is supported "by 30%0 or more of the employees in the unit" out of the 23 then represented to be in the unit. As heretofore noted, the Board, pursuant to the RD petition, conducted a decertification election on March 7, 1975. With 21 employees voting at the election, the Union lost the election by a vote of one. Due to timely objections to conduct affecting the results of the election filed by the Union, the Regional Director on May 23, 1975, issued his "Report on Objections, Order Consolidating Cases and Direction of Hearing," which as aforenoted because of the similarities of the issues, resulted in the consolidation of the RD proceeding with Case 13-CA-14147, and the hearing thereof in the latter part of 1975 and early part of 1976. In September 1975, Respondent closed its old Chicago, Wood Street facility, and its old Addison, Westwood Avenue facility, and consolidated and transferred their former manufacturing operations to a new plant in Addison (Illinois), on Fullerton Street where it engaged in the same manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors as formerly. Practically all of the employees in the closed facilities accepted transfers to the new Fullerton Avenue plant. In October 1975, Respondent unilaterally changed certain terms and conditions of employment of its maintenance and production employees at its Fullerton 6 See G. C. Exhs. I (p). I (r), and 2, for amendments to complaint in Case 13-CA 14147. Street plant in Addison without prior notice to or bargaining with the Union. 1. Issues under Section 8(a)(l) Under the above undisputed but skeletonized back- ground facts, the 8(a)(1) issues under the pleadings, as amended,6 in Case 13-CA-14147, as heard in August and September 1975, are as follows: (1) Whether Plant Manager McGlone warned an employee that it would be in his best interest to abandon all union activity, and threatened to get rid of the Union; (2) whether Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee reimbursement of his union fee and/or other monetary incentive if the employee abandoned his support of the Union; (3) whether Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee economic and other benefits in an attempt to persuade him to resign his position with the Union; (4) whether Plant Manager McGlone at an employee gathering at the home of a relative of employee Benito Gonzalez (a) promised Re- spondent's employees economic or other benefits if the employees would oppose the Union and/or discontinue their support of the Union and (b) promised the employees that once the Respondent moved its plant (to a new plant at Addison, Illinois), the absence of a union would mean that they would receive greater economic benefits; (5) whether Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee economic benefits when the Company moved its Chicago Wood Street facility to Addison, Illinois, if there was no union; (6) whether Plant Manager McGlone told an employee that he was going to "red circle" the names of employees who helped him; that he (McGlone) would put something in their pockets, but the Union had to be out; and that he (McGlone) was not going to forget the employees that helped him; (7) whether Plant Manager McGlone at the Chicago plant ordered an employee to remove a union button from his cap and told the employee that he did not want to see the union buttons in the shop anymore; (8) whether Plant Manager McGlone at the Chicago facility interrogated an employee as to why he had hung up union literature at the plant; (9) whether Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee that if the Union got out, the Company would permit employees in one classification to train and become employees of a different classification; (10) whether Plant Manager McGlone threatened to get rid of the employees who were against him in the election; and (11) whether Plant Manager McGlone gave an employee money in order to discourage him from supporting the Union. The above issues relate exclusively to alleged misconduct by Respondent's Plant Manager McGlone in violations of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Additional 8(aX ) issues under the pleadings as amended in Case 13-CA-14147, involving alleged misconduct by Respondent's agents other than by the aforementioned Plant Manager McGlone, are as follows: (I) whether on February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, an agent of Respondent promised Respondent's employees at the Chicago Wood Street facility economic benefits, including 899 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD but not limited to, attendance bonuses, raises, and pension benefits, if the employees opposed the Union and/or discontinued that support of the Union; (2) whether on March 3, 1975, the aforementioned Personnel Director Charles E. O'Hagan at the Chicago Wood Street facility solicited employees to present their grievances to him, and promised the employees that the grievances would be resolved; and (3) whether an agent of Respondent (identified at the hearing as William P. Treacy, counsel for Respondent at the hearing herein) on or about August 6, interrogated employees concerning the testimony the employees had given and/or were to give the Board. 7 2. Issues under Section 8(aX3) The pleadings in Case 13-CA-14147 also raise the following issues under Section 8(a)(3) of the Act, to wit: (1) whether Respondent's aforementioned Plant Manager McGlone discharged Pedro Ramos on January 26, 1975, because of his union activities and/or protected, concerted activity, and (2) whether Plant Manager McGlone laid off employee Rodney Mason because of his union and/or protected, concerted activity. 3. Issues under Section 8(aX5) After the conclusion of the hearing of the initial proceedings herein in Cases 13-CA-14147 and 13-RD-996 on September 4, 1975, Respondent, pursuant to leave granted at the hearing, albeit late, filed a proposed amended answer to the complaint in Case 13-CA-14147, on September 12, 1975, together with a simultaneous motion for leave to file "instanter" its proposed and attached amended answer. On September 16, 1975, counsel for General Counsel filed his opposition to Respondent's motion to amend its answer on the principal ground8 that the proposed amended answer was a "post hearing attempt to create alleged additional issues." The motion came up for oral ruling on February 4, 1976, upon the reopening of the initial proceeding herein for further hearing in connection with Case 13-CA-14811. Because of General Counsel's opposition to Respondent's proposed amended answer on the ground that it set forth "additional issues," before ruling on Respondent's motion, I required counsel for Respondent to file a statement in support of its motion for leave to file its proposed amended answer as filed on September 12, 1975. That requested statement, received in evidence as Respondent's Exhibit 25 with page references to the transcript in the original proceeding, clearly shows that Respondent's proposed amended answer is tied to both documentary evidence and testimony adduced at the original hearing in August and September 1975. 1 find, in agreement with counsel for Respondent, that Respondent's proposed amended answer "is simply [for the purpose of] making the pleadings conform to the proof." However, the weight to be accorded to that alleged "proof' was and is reserved for ruling in this Decision. By reasons of the I The latter issue was raised by an amendment to the complaint in Case 13-CA-14147 as reflected in G. C. Exh. 2. A The other ground for the opposition to the proposed amended answer was that it was filed 8 days after the conclusion of the hearing whereas I had given Respondent leave to file an amended answer on or before the aforenoted circumstances, Respondent's motion for leave to file its amended answer was granted on the record on February 4, 1976. It should be noted that General Counsel's aforemen- tioned principal objection to Respondent's three-page amended answer runs only to that part thereof that relates to paragraph XII of the complaint in Case 13-CA-14147 which in the key part reads, "From on and about November 27, 1974, and continuing to date, Respondent has failed and refused, and is failing and refusing, to bargain with the Union as exclusive bargaining representa- tive of the employees in the unit...." Respondent's amended answer to paragraph XII of the complaint reads: "As to paragraph XII Lammert readopts its Answer to the original complaint and adds thereto the following: At no time material hereto did the Union herein represent a majority of the employees herein involved." As through oversight Respondent's aforementioned amended answer and its motion for leave to file the amended answer were not offered in evidence at the hearing herein, I herewith place the two documents in evidence as Respondent's Exhibits 27 and 28, respectively. As likewise through oversight General Counsel's "Re- sponse and Opposition to Respondent's Motion to Amend Answer" was not offered in evidence at the hearing herein, I herewith place that document in evidence as General Counsel's Exhibit 26. (As heretofore noted, "Respondent's Statement In Support of Motion for Leave to File Amended Answer Filed on September 12, 1975" was received in evidence at the hearing herein as Resp. Exh. 25.) Under the above analysis of the pleadings and the foregoing undisputed but skeletonized background facts, the combined 8(aX5) issues under the pleadings in Cases 13-CA-14147 and 13-CA-14811 are as follows: (1) Whether on November 27, 1974, when Respondent admittedly withdrew recognition, the Union no longer represented a majority of the unit employees at Respon- dent's Chicago facility; (2) whether on the same date of November 27, 1974, Respondent had a reasonably based doubt as to the continuing majority standing of the Union at its Chicago facility; (3) in the event it is found that Respondent had a continuing obligation to bargain with the Union with respect to the involved unit at the Chicago facility, whether that obligation carried over to the Company's new plant at Addison, Illinois, to which the Chicago unit and the Addison old plant unit were transferred on October 1, 1975; and (4) whether Respon- dent's alleged unfair labor practices, if found as alleged, are so serious as to require the issuance of a bargaining order. 4. Additional 8(a)(1) issue under second complaint and answer Under the pleadings in Case 13-CA-14811 and the foregoing background facts, the remaining issue under Section 8(aX)() of the Act is whether Respondent granted conclusion of the hearing. At the remanded hearing herein on February 4, 1976. at my discretion, I overruled the objection to the proposed amended answer because of the lateness of its filing in view of the very long transcript of the record which counsel for Respondent had to study before he could prepare and file a proposed amended answer. 900 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES certain benefits on October 1, 1975, to its employees at its new facility at Addison, Illinois, in order to discourage union activity and/or in fulfillment of earlier alleged unlawful promises of benefits in Case 13-CA-14147. B. Eleven Alleged 8(a)(1) Violations by Plant Manager McGlone The complaint, as amended, alleges II separate incidents of violations of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act by Respondent's plant manager, McGlone. McGlone, a longtime employee of Lammert Industries, has been plant manager of Lammert's Chicago North Wood Street plant for the past 6 or 7 years. When the present parent company, I-T-E, acquired Lammert in 1972, it kept McGlone on as plant manager of Lammert's Chicago facility which was then under a 2-year collective-bargaining agreement with the Union, due to expire on February 1, 1975. The agreement covered a unit of maintenance and production employees at the plant with the usual exclusions. During the periods here material there were approximately 21 employees in the unit. The unit had been represented by the Union since 1945. On November 27, 1974, a decertification petition was filed with the Board by an attorney in behalf of some of the employees in the unit. The incidents involved in the 11 alleged 8(a)(1) violations charged to Plant Manager McGlone as agent for Respondent took place chiefly in December 1974 and January 1975, following the Novem- ber 27, 1974, filing date of the decertification petition, but before the election thereon on March 7, 1975. The incidents in which Respondent is charged with violations of Section 8(aX)() of the Act by the conduct of its agent, Plant Manager McGlone, will be taken up below generally in the order set forth in the complaint, as amended. 1. Incident of alleged threats and promises in December 1974 by McGlone to Shop Steward Robert Minor Paragraph VIII (a) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that, "In or about December 1974 ... Earl McGlone . . . warned an employee that it would be in his best interest to abandon all union activity and support of the Union, and threatened to get rid of the Union, no matter what the financial cost." The above alleged incident took place in the following setting. In the first part of December 1974, two union agents, George Janas and Earl Drenning, called at Respondent's Chicago plant and received permission from Plant Manager McGlone to talk to the men in the above- described unit. At that time there was a great deal of tension between management and the Union because of the employee decertification petition that had been recently filed with the Board. In giving the union representatives permission to speak to the unit employees, McGlone cautioned them against bringing any pressure on the employees and especially on Norbert Kurlik, a working foreman, to cause a withdrawal of the decertification petition which Kurlik had taken the initiative to sponsor. Nonetheless, some minutes later McGlone, according to his testimony, found Business Agent Janas shouting at Kurlik and pointing a finger at his stomach. Later when the two union business agents were about to leave the plant, McGlone testified that Business Agent Janas told him that he would stop the construction of the new plant Lammert was just beginning to put up on Fullerton Avenue in Addison, Illinois, "if you [McGlone] don't get these [the unit employees] back into the fold [the Union] like you supposed to."9 Almost immediately after the two union representatives left the plant, McGlone told Shop Steward Minor about Janas' alleged threat to stop the construction on the new factory in Addison. Minor's immediate response was, "I don't believe that," and that he would check the story out with Janas. McGlone told Minor that "he would like to know" what he found out from Janas. In response, Minor told McGlone that, "You can call me at home." Minor, after work that day, looked up Janas at the union offices where Janas flatly denied that he had made the threat attributed to him by McGlone about closing down the construction of the new plant if McGlone did not help him in getting the employees in the unit to support the Union. The above background findings are based on the combined and undisputed testimony of both McGlone and Minor, but the subsequent alleged events as testified to by Minor are undisputed. Minor testified that in the early evening of the same day, McGlone telephoned him at his home to find out whether Janas had admitted making the alleged threat that he would stop the construction of the Company's new plant in Addison if McGlone did not help the Union to get the employees in the unit back into the Union fold. MGlone denies that he even made such a telephone call to Minor's home. Minor's testimony about McGlone's telephone call was corroborated by Minor's wife, Erma, who testified that when McGlone called, she answered the telephone call and upon finding that it was McGlone who wanted to speak to her husband, she turned the telephone over to Minor. Minor further testified that when he answered the telephone the first thing he told McGlone was that he had checked with Janas on the statement McGlone had attributed to Janus and that Janas said it was not true and that McGlone replied that if the attributed statement was not true, he was not interested. Minor testified that McGlone then switched the conver- sation to his [Minor's] relationship with the Union, during the course of which McGlone made the following state- ments to him: (1) "Why don't you just stop this Union shit because you have seniority ... and pretty soon the Union will be out. I am getting rid of the Union. The Company is behind me 100 percent, and if it takes me $1,000 a man I am going to get rid of that Union." (2) "You are up for advancement or promotion, you can get it faster without a Union." (3) "You can make better advancement without your Union." (4) "You can stop this Union business and just cut it out." (5) "He told me to keep quiet, just do my job and keep quiet and don't have anything to do with this Union." 9 Bracketed matter is inferred and inserted by me. 901 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Conclusions I credit Minor's testimony as corroborated by his wife that McGlone telephoned Minor on the night here in question at his home and made the threats and promises shown above to him (Minor). I discredit McGlone's denial that he had even called Minor at his home that night and further discredit his denials that he made the above-quoted statements to Minor. I make these credibility findings primarily on Minor's superior demeanor evidence. I also credit Shop Steward Minor's testimony because numerous subsequent incidents, as hereinafter described which also involve 8(a)(1) violations by McGlone, show that McGlone's testimony was directly contradicted by one witness after another. I also find that a subsequent finding herein which shows that in another incident McGlone actually stuffed the pocket of a unit employee with $20 bills to induce him to vote for the Company in the then forthcoming decertification election is additionally confir- mative of the credibility of Minor's testimony that McGlone did telephone him and that McGlone in the course of his remarks to Minor did tell him that he had company backing to get rid of the Union even if he had to pay up to $1,000 per unit employee to accomplish that purpose. I find that the evidence adduced by General Counsel substantially proves the allegations of the complaint here under consideration that McGlone warned Minor, the union shop steward, that it would be to his best interest to abandon all union activity and support of the Union, and that McGlone threatened to get rid of the Union, no matter what the financial cost. I further find and conclude that this conduct by Respondent through its agent, Plant Manager McGlone, constitutes a violation of Section 8(aX)(I) of the Act. 2. Incident in late November or early December of 1974 of McGlone's alleged promise to an employee of reimbursement of his union fees if he would abandon his union support Paragraph VIII (b) of the complaint as amended alleges that on or about December 9, 1974, Respondent through Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee at its Chicago plant "the reimbursement of his union fee and/or other monetary incentive if the employee abandoned his support of the Union." Although this allegation refers to an alleged promise to a single employee, counsel for General Counsel adduced evidence of such alleged promise to two of Respondent's unit employees. The above-alleged incidents took place in the following setting. By the latter part of November 1974, a substantial number of the 21 employees in the unit here involved had become delinquent in the payment of their union dues. The Union, under a letter dated November 26, 1974, notified Plant Manager McGlone that the six unit employees named in the letter were not in compliance with a provision in the existing collective-bargaining agreement requiring that an "employee must become and remain a member in good standing in the Union," and accordingly asked for their immediate termination "upon receipt of this letter." Among the employees named in the letter were Willie Carpenter and Wally Davis. Under the same date of November 26, 1974, the Union in an identically phrased letter to McGlone also demanded the termination of two other unit employees, not directly involved in the incidents here under consideration, for nonpayment of union dues. As heretofore noted the employee decertification petition of the Union was filed on November 27, 1974. The petition and the above-described union letters to Plant Manager McGlone demanding the termination of Carpenter and Davis, among other employees, for nonpayment of union fees, crossed each other in the mail. The union demand letters were mailed out a day before the decertification petition was filed, but at the time McGlone spoke to employees Carpenter and Davis about the Union's demand for their terminations for nonpayment of dues, he had received a copy of the decertification petition from the Board. On December 4, 1974, the six unit employees whose discharge had been demanded by the Union in its letter of November 26, 1974, for nonpayment of union fees, filed an unfair labor charge against the Union on the ground that the Union had asked for their discharge "because of their support for an employee petition to decertify" the Union. By letter dated December 30, 1974, the Regional Director notified the representative of these six employees that "the evidence does not show that the Union unlawfully requested the Employer to terminate any employees," and that he was, therefore, refusing to issue a complaint under their charge. In effect the Regional Director found that the Union had the right under the collective-bargaining agreement to demand the termination of the employees named in its letter because of their failure to pay dues. Actually the Union's demand letters were mailed to McGlone before the Union, as far as the record shows, had any word or knowledge about the filing of the employee decertification petition. Shortly after the receipt of the Union's demand letters of November 26, 1974, Plant Manager McGlone contacted machinists Carpenter and Davis, among other employees, about their union dues delinquency. It is admitted that McGlone loaned Carpenter S100 to pay up his delinquency in union dues and thus avoided termination and that Carpenter shortly thereafter paid the $100 to McGlone. Carpenter testified that McGlone "advised me to go to the Labor Board and file charges, [to] see if I could get my $100 back, and he told me if I didn't get it back, he [McGlone] would give me $100 back." Carpenter further testified that McGlone told him that, "he would fire any man that went against them [the Company] in the [decertification] election." I credit Carpenter's above-quot- ed testimony of what McGlone told him and discredit McGlone's denial that he made such statements to Carpenter. Carpenter testified that the above-described conversation between McGlone and himself took place in mid-Decem- ber 1974. McGlone testified that the conversation took place "sometime in November, December" after he had received the Union's demand letter for Carpenter's termi- nation for union-dues delinquency. As the above-described conversation shows that McGlone advised Carpenter to file charges with the Board against the Union to get back the 902 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES $100 he paid the Union for his arrearage in union dues and as such a charge, with Carpenter's name thereon, was actually filed on December 4, 1974, 1 find that the conversation in which McGlone advised Carpenter to file such a charge took place prior to December 4, 1974. It is admitted that McGlone likewise took up the matter of the Union's demand for the termination of Davis for nonpayment of his union dues with Davis shortly after McGlone received the Union's demand letter. Davis then went down to the union office and paid his union dues arrearage of $100. Davis testified that about a week later on December 9, 1974, McGlone looked him up at his work station and told him he "didn't have to worry" about the $100 he had paid the Union for back dues as McGlone would see to it that he got it back. Davis further testified that later that day McGlone again looked him up at his turret machine and again told him not to worry about the $100 he had paid the Union and in that connection asked Davis if he wanted "to go down with the guys down to the Labor Board" where his fellow workers were going "to see if they could get the money back from the Labor Board." Davis further testified that still later that day when a group of his fellow workers were getting ready to go to the offices of the Board to support their aforementioned unfair labor charge against the Union, McGlone said to him, "Don't you want to go with them? You will get that $100 plus the $1001 am going to give you." Davis' above-described testimony at the hearing on August 15, 1975, was based upon his recollection of what McGlone said to him some 8 months earlier on December 9, 1974. In an earlier written statement, dated December 22, 1974, to the Board, only about 2 weeks after the conversation here under consideration, Davis stated that McGlone "promised me that if I voted against the Union he will reimburse me the $100 I paid for the union reinstatement fee which I paid about 2-3 weeks ago .... " (Resp. Exh. 5.) In a somewhat later statement of January 20, 1975, in affidavit form, to the Board much of which relates to other matters, Davis stated, as here pertinent, "On or about December 9, [1974] McGlone talked to me at the turret lathe. He said, 'Davis, don't worry about your $100 bucks . . . [to the Union for union dues], I'll give it back to you when this is all over.' "'0 (Resp. Exh. 6.) In summary, Davis testified that McGlone on December 9, 1974, told him he did not have to worry about the $100 he had paid the Union because McGlone promised him reimbursement for that sum. I credit this testimony by Davis, the truth of which is corroborated by earlier written statements to the Board by Davis, chronologically much closer to the incidents here under discussion. Conversely, I discredit McGlone's denial that he promised Davis that he would reimburse him for the $100 he paid the Union. In further summary, Davis testified that McGlone told him that if he joined his fellow workers in going to the Board to back up their unfair labor charge against the Union, that he would get the $100 he paid to the Union back "plus the $100 I am going to give you." I credit this testimony by Davis and discredit McGlone's denial that he made the statements attributed to him by Davis. "' I find that the phrase "when this is all over" is a reference to the decertification election, not at that time as yet scheduled, which McGlone expected the Company to win. Conclusions I find and conclude that General Counsel has substan- tially proven the allegation of the complaint here under consideration as expanded by the evidence that Respon- dent through its Plant Manager McGlone promised two employees, Carpenter and Davis, reimbursement of their union fees and/or other monetary incentive if the employ- ees abandoned their support of the Union, in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. As shown above I have credited the testimony of Respondent's employees, Carpenter and Davis, that McGlone engaged in the misconduct alleged in the complaint as against McGlone's denials thereof. I based these credibility findings primarily on the superior demeanor evidence of Carpenter and Davis over that of McGlone. Another factor in my credibility findings is that throughout the hearing herein McGlone's testimony is directly contradicted by one witness after another which in itself is indication of the unreliability of McGlone's testimony. Still another factor in my credibility findings is the detail in the testimony of Carpenter and Davis which would be hard to fabricate and the failure of cross- examination to shake their testimony. A still further factor in my credibility findings is that the record as a whole shows that McGlone, acting without the advice of counsel before Respondent's present counsel came into the picture, sought to break the Union's hold on the involved unit in line with the firm policy of the new multiplant owners of Lammert Industries to favor nonunion plants. 3. Incident of alleged promises and inducements by McGlone to Union Shop Chairman Brown Paragraph Vlll (c) of the complaint as amended alleges that Respondent through Plant Manager McGlone "prom- ised an employee economic and other benefits, including but not limited to, a raise in pay, in an attempt to persuade this employee to resign his position with the Union." The evidence identifies the employee mentioned in the above allegation as Carl Brown, about 54 years old, who has been in Lammert's employment since 1947 and has greatest seniority of any employee in the unit. He works in the Company's shipping and receiving department but also does some maintenance work. Brown has been the Union's shop steward since 1974. It will be recalled that the Union on November 26, 1974, had mailed to Plant Manager McGlone, two letters demanding the termination of eight unit employees for failure to pay their dues; the letters show that copies thereof were simultaneously mailed to Brown in his capacity as the Union's shop steward. Part of Brown's duties as a shop steward is to see that the members of the Union keep current on their dues. When Brown received copies of the Union's demand letters for the termination of the named employees, he contacted the delinquent mem- bers in an effort to get them to pay their dues and thus avoid termination. Brown's testimony shows that on December 20, 1974, or some 3 weeks after the Union's demand letters, McGlone called him into his office. Brown testified McGlone in his 903 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD office told him, "You know, the Union is going to be thrown out so why don't you just resign your position as Chairman [actually union shop steward] of the Union. If you will be loyal to me you needn't have to worry about your job. I will give you a raise and put you on salary." Brown asked McGlone to put the promise in writing but McGlone refused. McGlone then asked Brown to think his offer over. Brown further testified that some 2 or 3 weeks earlier, McGlone said to him, "Carl, they [the dues delinquent Union members] are giving you a hard time ... .so why don't you just quit as Shop Foreman?" Brown's reply was, "I won't quit." Brown's credited testimony shows that the only time McGlone offered him a promotion to a salaried position if he would resign from his job as union shop steward was "during the dispute," which was a reference to the contest then going on between the Company and the Union to win the forthcoming decertification election. McGlone admits that he offered Brown a salaried job sometime in December 1974, but testified that he did that solely out of sympathy for the hard time the union dues delinquent members were giving Brown in his efforts as shop steward to bring them current on their union dues. Brown's testimony shows that he told McGlone that the delinquent members were not giving him a hard time beyond what he routinely expected as shop steward. McGlone also testified that his offer of a salaried job to Brown in December 1974 was not his first offer to Brown of a promotion and that he had offered promotions to Brown over the past 4 or 5 years from time to time. I do not credit McGlone's testimony about his repeated offers of promotions to Brown over the years but instead fully credit Brown's testimony that he had received only two offers of promotion from McGlone and that both of these offers were made to him "during the dispute" or contest between the Company and the Union to win the expected forthcoming decertification election. Conclusions I fully credit Brown's testimony that McGlone on December 20, 1974, told him, "You know that the Union is going to be thrown out, so why don't you just resign your position as chairman of the Union. If you will be loyal to me, you needn't have any worry about your job. I will give you a raise and put you on a salary." I would credit this testimony by Brown even if it were denied by McGlone because of Brown's superior demeanor evidence. However, McGlone admits he offered Brown a promotion and the record fails to disclose a denial by McGlone that he conditioned his offer of a better job to Brown on Brown's abandonment of his position of shop foreman for the Union. I do not credit McGlone's testimony that he offered Brown a promotion because he felt sorry for Brown because of the hard times the delinquent union members were giving him in connection with his dues collecting duties as shop steward. I find from the record as a whole that McGlone offered Brown a promotion as an inducement for him to resign his position with the Union in a further effort to break up union support among the employees in the unit, following the filing of the decertification petition. I find and conclude that McGlone in soliciting Brown to withdraw from the Union violated Section 8(a)(l) of the Act and also find that Respondent through McGlone further violated Section 8(aXl) by promising Brown a promotion in order to induce him to abandon the Union. Oahu Refuse Collection Co., Inc., 212 NLRB 224, 226, 227 (1974). 4. Incident of alleged promise of benefits to Shop Steward Brown under benefit program of new owners of Lammert at projected new plant Paragraph VIII (f) of the complaint, as amended (taken somewhat out of order because it also involves the same Shop Steward Brown), alleges that Respondent through Plant Manager McGlone in late December 1974, "prom- ised an employee economic benefits when Respondent moved its facility [Wood Street facility in Chicago] to Addison, Illinois, if there was no Union." At the initial hearing herein in the fall of 1975, and for many years prior thereto, Respondent Lammert Industries, as aforenoted, had a principal facility in Chicago on Wood Street where it employed approximately 21 production and maintenance employees engaged in the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. In the fall of 1975 and for a number of years prior thereto, Lammert also had smaller auxiliary facility on Westwood Avenue in Addison, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, where it was engaged in the same type of manufacturing as in its Chicago plant with a crew of some six or seven production and maintenance employees. Some of the employees in the Chicago plant were from time to time sent to work temporarily at the Addison Avenue plant and one employee, Charles Wavra, worked daily between the two plants. McGlone was plant manager of both the Chicago and Addison facilities. As aforenoted the Chicago plant had been organized for many years, with the most recent collective-bargaining agreement running from February 1, 1973, to February 1, 1975. The auxiliary Addison plant on Westwood Avenue has never been organized. On October 1, 1975, Respondent closed its Chicago facility and its auxiliary facility on Westwood Avenue in Addison and consolidated its operations into a new plant, also in Addison, but located on Fullerton Street. In late December 1974, about a month after the employee decertification petition had been filed with the Board, Shop Steward Brown noticed that McGlone was making the rounds of the Chicago plant to show and talk to each employee individually about a document he had in his hands. When McGlone got to where Brown was standing, he showed Brown the papers or document he had been showing the other employees individually. McGlone told Brown that the document set forth the employee benefits that the employees at Lammert's nonunion shop at Addison were receiving. The document, received in evidence as General Counsel's Exhibit 5, is a four-page pamphlet, bearing at the top of its first page the words, "oF CONCERN TO YOU AS A NEW EMPLOYEE." The pamphlet lists such employee benefits as group medical and life insur- 904 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES ance, profit sharing, sick pay, and paid vacations, among other benefits. Other evidence dehors the pamphlet shows that these listed benefits are called Componetrol employee benefits from the name of the corporation Componetrol, Inc., that owns Respondent Lammert Industries and that Componetrol in turn is owned by I-T-E Imperial Corpora- tion, the top parent company. The record further shows that the Componetrol employ- ee benefits as set forth in the pamphlet were installed only in Componetrols' unrepresented or nonunion plants. Later sections of this Decision further show that the Componetrol employee benefits for its unrepresented factories were generally considered by Lammert's employ- ees to be more liberal than those they received under their labor contract. As aforenoted Lammert is a subsidiary of Componetrol. Brown while glancing through the Componetrol booklet detected that the Componetrol employee benefit program called for more paid vacations than the Lammert employ- ees at the nonunion Addison plant were receiving. Pointing to that item in the booklet, Brown told McGlone that it was wrong and McGlone immediately agreed. " Nevertheless, Brown's credited testimony shows that McGlone told Brown that when Lammert closed down its union plant in Chicago and its nonunion plant in Addison and moved and consolidated its operations at its new plant then under construction at a new location in Addison, the employees who transferred to the new plant would get the benefits and vacations set forth in the pamphlet-"if the Union went out." 12 Brown's immediate and admitted response to McGlone was that the exhibition to him of Componetrol's employee benefit booklet was illegal. I infer and find that Brown, by the use of the term "illegal," meant that McGlone's exhibition to him of Componetrol's more liberal employee benefit program for nonunion facilities, at Lammert's unionized Chicago plant at a time close on the heels of a pending decertification election, was illegal. McGlone admits that he showed and talked to Brown about Componetrol employee benefit pamphlet in late December 1974, but denies that he told Brown that the employee benefits shown in the pamphlet would be put in force at the new plant-"if the Union went out." I do not credit McGlone's conditional denial, "if the Union went out." McGlone also testified that Brown had previously asked him on several occasions to show him a copy of the Componetrol employee benefits. Although Brown was not called on rebuttal to deny that assertion, I do not find that relevant as a defense because on the occasion and circumstances here under consideration Brown had not asked to see the Componetrol document but was shown the pamphlet as part of McGlone's procedure that day to show the booklet individually to all the employees in the Chicago plant at a time that an employee decertification petition was pending before the Board. As shown above, Brown, by reason of the position he held as the Union's shop steward, took immediate umbrage about McGlone's exhibition of the Componetrol employee benefits booklet. 1 The findings in the above paragraph are inferred from the combined testimony of Brown and McGlone. '2 The above finding is based on the following credited testimony of Conclusions I find and conclude that General Counsel has substanti- ated the allegation of the complaint that Plant Manager McGlone in late December 1974 "promised an employee," the aforementioned Shop Steward Brown, "economic benefits when Respondent moves its facility to Addison, Illinois, if there is no Union." As there is no dispute that on the day here in question McGlone went about showing each employee in the unit including Brown, the Compone- trol employee benefit pamphlet, the only issue before the Administrative Law Judge is one of credibility over whether McGlone told Brown that the installation of the Componetrol benefits would be conditioned upon the Union being "out" at the new plant when operations at the two older plants were phased out and moved to the new plant. In the findings above I have credited Brown's testimony that McGlone's promises of benefits were conditioned on the Union being out of the new plant as against McGlone's denial of that condition. I base my determination of that credibility issue primarily on Brown's superior demeanor evidence. Other factors in this credibili- ty determination are the same as those set forth in connection with other unfair labor practices by McGlone and the general unreliability of McGlone's testimony. Another factor in the credibility determination is that there emerges from the record as a whole a pattern of behavior by McGlone through promises, threats, and rewards to try to persuade and influence Respondent's employees to vote the Union out at the then forthcoming decertification election. 5. Incident of McGlone's alleged promises of benefits to a gathering of employees at a private home on January 13, 1975 Paragraph VIII(d)(l) and (2) of the complaint as amended alleges that McGlone on January 13, 1975, at the home of a nonemployee related to employee Benito Gonzalez, promised Respondent's employees economic and other benefits, such as insurance benefits and in- creased sick days, if the employees opposed the Union and/or discontinued their union support, and also prom- ised the employees that once the Company moved its plant, the absence of a union would mean that they would receive greater economic benefits such as higher wages, more sick days, and a bonus after each year. The following are admitted or undisputed background facts under the above alleged incident. On January 13, 1975, there was a meeting of about 18 of Respondent's employees out of the involved 21-man unit at the home of a cousin of fellow employee Benito Gonzalez. Plant Manager McGlone was in attendance at the meeting. McGlone brought with him and discussed with the employees at the meeting the same printed package of Componetrol employ- ee benefits (G. C. Exh. 5), the exhibition of which as shown earlier herein had drawn the ire of Union Shop Steward Brown because he deemed its showing by the plant manager as illegal. Brown: "He IMcGlone] said if and when we move to Addison, we would get these vacations and benefits if the Union went out." 905 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD It is also admitted that McGlone attended the meeting at the invitation of employee Norbert Kurlik who as shown earlier herein had been the initiator and prime mover behind the employee decertification petition. Kurlik's fully credited testimony shows that at the time he invited McGlone to come to the meeting he told McGlone he was extending the invitation because "the guys [the unit employees at the Chicago plant] wanted to know what they can get after the union was out." I discredit McGlone's denial of this both on demeanor grounds and because the record as a whole shows him to be an unreliable witness. In addition McGlone's own testimony shows that he brought to the meeting copies of Componetrol's employee benefits because the employees "knew I had a policy from Componetrol which I had shown to Carl Brown" and "they asked me if I would bring it to the meeting and show them what the policy consists of." McGlone further admits that he passed out copies of the document to the employees and then read to them some of the employee benefits set forth in the document. All of these factors add to the credibility of Kurlik's testimony that he invited McGlone to the meeting because "the guys wanted to know what they can get after the union was out." The record as a whole shows that the employees in attendance at the meeting felt that the Componetrol employee benefit package was generally more liberal than the benefits they were getting under the collective-bargain- ing agreement. An overall comparison of the Componetrol employee benefits against the labor contract shows this to be true. The critical question is whether McGlone told or in effect promised the employees at the meeting that they would get the more liberal Componetrol employee bene- fits-if they voted the Union out-at the pending decertifi- cation election. McGlone denied that he promised the employees that "he would get the employees anything they wanted if the Union went out." This is not a denial that he would get the employees the Componetrol benefits. If McGlone meant by his denial that he did not promise the Componetrol benefits on the condition that the Union went out, I discredit that denial. McGlone in his testimony did not specifically deny that he promised the employees that they would get the Componetrol package of employee benefits if the Union went out. The credited testimony of other witnesses as set forth below is convincing that McGlone did promise the employees at the meeting that they would get the superior Componetrol employee benefits, with some modifications to fit the local situation, if the Union went out. Unzo Givens, a company welder, was General Counsel's leadoff witness. His credited testimony shows the follow- ing. On the morning of the above-described January 13 meeting of Respondent's employees at a private home, McGlone came to Givens in the welding room where he told Givens that "he was going to have a little dinner for some of the fellows" that night and invited him to come to the dinner,'3 stating that it would be to Givens' best 1'3 do not credit McGlone's denial that he invited Givens to attend the meeting. 14 1 infer and find that McGlone singled Givens out for the invitation to interest to attend "because there was something to be discussed that he [McGlone] was sure I would benefit from."'4 Later that day Givens told McGlone that he accepted the invitation. That night he was I of the 17 or 18 employees at the meeting. Givens' further credited testimony shows that after McGlone passed out printed copies of Componetrol's employee benefits, he read out some of the main benefits in the document. The employees in Lammert's Chicago plant do not get sick leave under their labor contract. By contrast the Componetrol employee benefit schedule calls for 5 days of sick leave in the first year of employment. As McGlone read off that figure of 5 days' sick leave, Givens jotted it down on his copy of the Componetrol employee benefits which is the copy received in evidence as General Counsel's Exhibit 5. McGlone told the employees that the Componetrol 5-day sick leave benefit was a "benefit the union could never get." On the matter of paid holidays, the collective-bargaining agreement called for 10 paid holidays but the Componetrol document provided for only 9 paid holidays. However, according to Givens' credited testimony McGlone told the employees that he would meet every benefit the Union had gotten for the employees or could get for them. After discussing with the employees the various other Compone- trol employee benefits, Givens' credited testimony further shows that McGlone guaranteed the employees that he could get those benefits for them "for free" and that the only barricade against their receiving the Componetrol benefits was the Union. In summary, I find from Givens' testimony as a whole that McGlone promised the employ- ees at the meeting the more liberal employee benefits-if the Union went out. Another employee present at the meeting McGlone addressed was Rodney Mason, an assembler. Like Givens, he testified in behalf of General Counsel. Mason's credited testimony shows that when McGlone began his discussion of the distributed printed Componetrol employee benefits pamphlet, he prefaced his remarks with the statement that, "if the Union went out he [McGlone J would try to get these things." Mason's further credited testimony shows that when McGlone got to the subject of sick leave he said he would try to get the employees the 5 days of sick leave shown in the Componetrol package and also the listed 2- week paid vacation after I year of employment-if the Union went out, whereas the employees at Lammert's union plant were then receiving no sick leave and only a I week vacation after I year of employment. Asked by the Administrative Law Judge if there was any doubt in Mason's mind that McGlone had said to the assembled employees, "If the Union goes out I will try to get you 5 days of sick leave that don't now have?," Mason's instant reply was, "There is no doubt in my mind whatever." Mason was I of the 19 employees who had signed the petition request to the Board for a decertification election. Although Mason testified that McGlone said he would "try" to get for the employees the Componetrol benefits in contrast to Givens' testimony that McGlone "guaranteed" attend the dinner meeting because he was one of the only two or three unit employees who had not affixed his name to the November 1974 petition request to the Board to conduct a decertification election. 906 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES the Componetrol benefits if the Union went out, the record suggests that McGlone used both the word "try" and "guarantee" with reference to the Componetrol employee benefits. I make this finding because Mason's testimony shows that he was largely inattentative to what went on at the meeting and that the only thing he remembered about the discussion at the hearing some 6 months after the event was what McGlone had to say about sick pay and paid vacations. Without further discussion below, I find that whether McGlone promised "to try" to get the employees the Componetrol employee benefits or "guaranteed" such benefits to the employees-if the Union went out-is inconsequential because in either case the words connote either a contingent l5 or absolute promise of benefits if the Union went out. In each such situation there is an obvious and classical promise of benefits if the Union went out, in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. Mario Gonzalez, a shipping helper at the Chicago plant who speaks a broken English, testified for Respondent with respect to the employee meeting of January 13, 1975, here under consideration. His testimony shows that he was present at that employee meeting at the invitation of Kurlik, the initiator of the decertification petition, who, as the above findings show, arranged the meeting and further arranged for Plant Manager McGlone to be present because "the guys wanted to know what they can get after the union was out." Gonzalez admits that a several page document was passed out at the meeting showing company employee benefits (heretofore shown to be the Compone- trol employee benefit pamphlet), that McGlone discussed these benefits, and that the employees asked McGlone questions about the benefits. However, Gonzalez denied that McGlone made any promises that the employees would get these benefits and even denied that there was any talk about the Union at the meeting that night. Under cross-examination Gonzalez showed a tendency to evasive- ness which seriously reflects on his credibility. Under examination of his probity, Gonzalez first testified that McGlone never gave him any money and then that McGlone from time to time had lent him $2 or $3 and he finally admitted that McGlone loaned him $50 to get out of jail only some 4 months before the hearing herein. Based on Gonzalez' obvious lack of candor as disclosed by his demeanor and his evasiveness about the favors he receives from time to time from McGlone, I do not credit his testimony that McGlone made no promises at all to the employees about getting the Componetrol employee benefits. I further discredit Gonzalez' testimony because he even testified that the Union was not even mentioned at the meeting in view of the fact that the meeting was held only 2 days prior to the then scheduled decertification election and in view of the further fact that Kurlik had invited McGlone to the meeting, "because the guys wanted to know what they can get after the union is out." Charles Wavra, who is employed by Respondent as a specialist, also testified for Respondent. At the time here material, Wavra's work required him to shuttle daily 1s Contingent upon McGlone's getting the approval of his superiors for the installation of the Componetrol benefits. between Lammert's unionized Chicago plant and Lam- mert's smaller auxiliary but nonunion facility in Addison. Wavra's testimony shows that he attended the employee meeting of January 13, 1975, here under discussion and that he and Kurlik who had arranged the meeting, had requested McGlone to bring to the meeting printed copies of the Componetrol employee benefit program so that it could be discussed before the then pending decertification election took place a few days later. Wavra testified that after McGlone had distributed copies of the Componetrol benefit program, it was discussed but that McGlone made no commitments or guarantees that Respondent would give the Chicago plant employees the Componetrol employee benefits if the Union was voted out because McGlone thought they were too liberal. Wavra also testified that McGlone had told the assembled employees that the Componetrol employee benefit package was "a piece of garbage." I discredit Wavra's testimony because McGlone's own testimony fails to show that he made the extreme statements attributed to him by Wavra. I also discredit Wavra's testimony because it is contrary to the whole tenor of the composite testimony of other credible witnesses whose testimony leave no doubt that McGlone promised the Componetrol employee benefits or efforts to get such benefits for Respondent's Chicago plant employees if the Union went out. Since the record shows that McGlone exerted every effort to win the forthcoming decertification election for his Employer, I further find that he would not have engaged in the wholesale denigration of the Componetrol employee benefit package attributed to him by Wavra as that would have been counterproductive of his objective to help win the decertification election by a showing of the superior employee benefits that Componetrol offered to nonunion shops. At most the record shows that McGlone only expressed some reservations about whether Respondent's parent company, Componetrol, would allow Respondent to put into effect to the full extent some of the Compone- trol benefits even if Respondent won the decertification election. But the record leaves no doubt that McGlone was invited to the employee meeting by decertification ring- leader Kurlik, according to Kurlik's own testimony, for the express purpose of giving McGlone the opportunity to tell the assembled employees what the Company would offer them in the way of established employee benefits for nonunion shops, if the employees voted the Union out. It is significant that Respondent who called Kurlik as a witness failed to examine Kurlik as to what McGlone told the employees at the meeting, from which I infer and find that Kurlik if asked would have corroborated of General Counsel's witnesses that McGlone promised the employees the superior Componetrol benefits if the Union was voted out. Under all of these circumstances I do not find Wavra's testimony creditable that McGlone at the meeting made no promises to install the Componetrol benefits if the Union was out and especially his testimony that the Union was not even mentioned at the meeting. 907 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Conclusions Based on the above credibility determinations, I find and conclude that Plant Manager McGlone at an employee- called meeting held at a private home on January 13, 1975, promised the assembled union employees to get for them the superior Componetrol employee benefits if they abandoned the Union, substantially as alleged in para- graph VIIl(d)(l) of the complaint, as amended, in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Respondent contends that if any commitment was made by McGlone to the assembled union employees, it was merely a commitment "to try" to get for them the superior Componetrol employee benefits rather than an absolute promise or guarantee of such benefits. I find and conclude that even if the evidence showed that McGlone merely told the employees that he would "try" to get the Componetrol benefits for them, such conduct would still constitute an unlawful inducement of possible economic benefits if the employees abandoned the Union, in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Respondent's further defense is that McGlone as plant manager had no actual authority on his own to make any changes in the employees' then existing benefits if the employees abandoned the Union because any such changes would have to be approved "by one or two levels higher than his own." While the evidence does support this factual conclusion, I likewise find that defense without merit because McGlone obviously did have the authority "to try" to get his superiors to install the superior Componetrol employee benefits if the employees aban- doned the Union because as shown above the mere promise "to try" to get the Componetrol benefits in exchange for the abandonment of the Union also consti- tutes a violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. All other contentions by Respondent in defense of the allegation of the complaint here under consideration have been considered and also found without merit. With respect to the remaining allegation under subpara- graph 2 of paragraph VIII(d) of the complaint, as amended, Respondent contends that there has been a complete failure of proof thereon that McGlone, "Prom- ised the employees that once the Respondent moved its plant [meaning to the new plant then under construction in Addison, Illinois], the absence of a union would mean that the employees would receive greater economic benefits, including, but not limited to, higher wages, more sick days, and a bonus after each year." (Emphasis supplied.) I agree with that contention. The record is barren of any evidence that McGlone at the employee called meeting of January 13, 1975, mentioned "higher wages" or "bonuses" and in fact those subjects are not even listed in the Componetrol printed package of employee benefits. As for the alleged promise of the Componetrol benefits in the absence of a union "once the Respondent moved its plant," the record likewise appears barren of any testimony that McGlone even made any mention at the employee meeting with reference to the moving of Respondent's plant. The brief of counsel to General Counsel does not appear to request any specific findings on subparagraph of the complaint here under discussion. For all of these reasons I will recommend the dismissal of the allegation in the noted subparagraph 2 of paragraph VIII (d) for failure of proof. 6. Alleged unlawful promises by company vice president and company attorney at employees meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975 Paragraph VIII (e) of the complaint, as amended, reads: "In or about February 27, 1975, March 3, 1975, and March 5, 1975, Respondent, by its agent, during employee meetings, promised its employees economic benefits, including, but not limited to, attendance bonuses, raises and pension benefits, if the employees opposed the Union and/or discontinued their support of the Union." Related paragraph VIII (g) of the complaint, as amend- ed, reads: "On or about March 3, 1975, Respondent, by its officer and agent Charles O'Hagan, at Respondent's facility, solicited employees to present their grievances to him, and promised the employees that the grievances would be resolved." The undisputed background facts to the above allega- tions show that just prior to the Board's decertification election of March 7, 1975,i6 a vigorous campaign was going on between the Company and the Union for the favorable votes of the unit employees in the imminent election. The record contains many union letters to the employees exhorting them to vote for the Union and several company letters exhorting the employees to vote for the Company, each with reasons why the employees should vote as urged. Most of the union letters were simply signed, "District No. 8," followed by the name of the International. All of Lammert's letters were signed by Charles E. O'Hagan as "Vice-President-Personnel," although he was not resident at the Chicago plant. Some of O'Hagan's letters to the Lammert employees are addressed personally to individual employees by their given names, such as, "Dear Robert"; referring to Robert Minor, and "Dear Unzo," referring to Unzo Givens. Both Minor and Given are strong union supporters. O'Hagan's testimony shows that he is actually a vice president in charge of industrial relations of 18 of the ultimate parent Company's factories, of which Lammert's is only 1. O'Hagan has been employed for 29 years by a subsidiary of the parent company which has control of the industrial relations of these 18 manufacturing facilities and has been that subsidiary's vice president in charge of industrial relations for the past 15 years. I infer and find from the record that O'Hagan, as the subsidiary's industrial relations expert, caused the three employee meetings to be held at Lammert's Chicago plant on February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, in an effort to persuade the employees to vote for decertification of the Union in the election scheduled to take place on March 7, 1975. At the meetings, O'Hagan had with him William P. Treacy, a lawyer of many years experience in representing employers in labor law matters, as a cospokesman for '6 The election was originally set for January 24, 1975. 908 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Respondent Lammert." Treacy had become known to Lammert employees when he was called in by management to settle an alleged unfair labor practice strike which started in the month of February, and ended just 2 days prior to the first employee meeting of February 27, 1975. Treacy represented Lammert throughout the hearing herein except for a brief interval when he called in associate counsel to handle that part of the hearing which dealt with an unfair labor practice charge by the pleadings to Treacy as an agent of Respondent as detailed in a later section of this Decision. O'Hagan was unknown to the employees at the Lammert plant prior to the employees meetings here under consideration. McGlone as manager of the Lammert factory introduced O'Hagan and Treacy to the employees at the first meeting. The employees were told that they were not required to stay at the meetings and that they were free to leave the meetings at any time if they so desired. Each of the three meetings were held on company time and on company premises. At the three meetings O'Hagan generally deferred to Treacy the numerous questions asked by the employees because Treacy was the Company's attorney and it was his job to keep the meetings legal and not to jeopardize the Company. As no contemporaneous notes were kept on what occurred at the three meetings, the record contains only the recollections of witnesses who were present as to what Treacy and O'Hagan said at the meetings. At the first meeting Treacy told the employees that the meetings were essentially get-acquainted meetings and invited questions from the employees but somewhere close to the beginning of the meeting either Hagan or Treacy stated the Compa- ny's reasons for its drive to decertify the Union. These reasons are best expressed by a nearly contemporaneous letter sent by O'Hagan the day after the first employee meeting to employee Robert Minor who had walked out of the first meeting because of his displeasure over the way Treacy and O'Hagan were seemingly avoiding questions put to them by the employees. O'Hagan's letter (G. C. Exh. 7) to Minor reads as follows: Dear Robert: Thank you for meeting with us yesterday. I am only sorry about one thing - that we didn't meet a year or two ago. You asked questions that make good sense. A question, for example, that makes a lot of sense is, "Why does Imperial-Eastman prefer not to have a union.?" We assured you that we would put everything we said in writing - and sign it. So here are our signed answers to this question: 1. We know we can treat every single person 100% fairly without a union. We know this because we have done just this for many years - with thousands of employees. 2. We know - and you do too - that where there is a union there is always the risk of a union forced strike. '7 Thus. there were two spokesmen for Respondent. O'Hagan and Treacy, at the above indicated employee meetings called by Respondent against the single but unnamed agent referred to in the complaint. Treacy Strikes, of course, are not inevitable. We won't force a strike. But union-forced strikes do happen. And with a union, such a strike could happen right here at Lammert. A short strike just ended. Another strike could last a long time. Before you make up your mind how you want to vote, please consider that a union-forced economic strike: I. Could force us to replace the strikers - permanently. 2. Could force us to transfer your work to other Imperial Eastman plants - we have good people now on layoff who would be glad to have a job. There's a lot more. Please, doyourselfa favor - let's talk it over beforeyou vote! (Emphasis as in letter.) Sincerely, Charles E. O'Hagan Vice President Industrial Relations No violation of the Act is alleged by reason of O'Hagan's above letter to employee Minor. However, serious questions of fact and law are raised by the evidence in this proceeding on whether the numerous responses made by Treacy and O'Hagan at the meetings to specific questions by the employees as to what benefits they could expect from management in the absence of a union, constitute unlawful promises, notwithstanding Treacy's and O'Hagan's admitted, repeated, and unswerv- ing assertions that they were not making and could not make any promises of economic and other employee benefits because such promises before the decertification election would be unlawful. General Counsel contends that, notwithstanding these verbal disclaimers, Treacy's and O'Hagan's responses to the employee questions constitute promises, both direct and indirect, of employee benefits in the absence of a union at the plant. Respondent relies on its reiterated disclaimers of promises as its defense. Four employee witnesses testified for General Counsel and three employee witnesses and Treacy and O'Hagan testified for Respondent, on the responses Treacy and O'Hagan made to employee questions as to what employee benefits, if any, they could expect to receive from the Company, if the employees voted to decertify the Union. A common twin thread runs through virtually all of the combined testimony of the seven employee witnesses. One of these common threads, with some qualification on the testimony of employee Gonzalez, is that Treacy's standard response to all employee queries as to what benefits they could expect without union representation was that under the law he could not and was not making any promises but that he simultaneously nevertheless asked the employees to trust the Company and pleaded with them to give the Company a chance to show what it could do for them without union representation and further told them that if testified that in the past 10 years he had "participated in roughly 1,000 meetings of the sort that have been testified to in this trial [the present proceeding I as the meetings of February 27, March 3 and March 5." 909 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD they were not satisfied at the end of a year with what the Company was doing for them without union representa- tion, they then could take steps to have the Union back as their bargaining representative. Employee after employee witness, except Mario Gonzalez,18 testified that Treacy pleaded with the employees at the meetings "to trust" the Company even as he told them he could not make any special promises of employee benefits in the absence of the Union. Treacy does not deny that, while he steadfastly declined to make any express promises, he repeatedly appealed to the employees "to trust" the Company when asked what employee benefits they would have without a union. Returning now to the testimony of employee Mario Gonzalez, the record shows that while he only testified that Treacy made no promises of employee benefits at the meetings, the record fails to show that he was ever asked by any counsel whether Treacy, in responding to questions about employee benefits, asked the employees "to trust" the Company while simultaneously refusing to make any specific promises. If Mario Gonzalez had been asked if Treacy's response to queries about employee benefits, had been for the employees "to trust" the Company, I infer and find from the testimony of all the other employee witnesses that Gonzalez would have testified as they did that Treacy did use that expression. The other common thread that runs through the testimony of all the seven employee witnesses, including Gonzales', is that when the employees asked what would happen to their long vested right to present grievances if the Union was voted out, O'Hagan responded and promised that the employees would be given the right of a direct appeal to him personally in the event Plant Manager McGlone turned their grievances down. This was a new privilege or benefit that the employees never had in the past. The credited testimony of the employee witnesses further shows that O'Hagan also assured the employees at the meetings that in any appeals to him on grievances he would give the grievant employee the benefit of the doubt. Respondent does not deny that O'Hagan promised the employees the right of a personal appeal to him on any action taken by Plant Manager McGlone adverse to an employee. The following is representative of the credited testimony of all the employee witnesses in the case on the responses they received from Treacy and O'Hagan at the employee meetings in answer to their questions on the benefits they would receive if the Union was voted out. As heretofore noted these employee meetings were held only days before the March 7, 1975, decertification election. We take up first the employee witnesses in behalf of General Counsel. a. General Counsel's employee witnesses Employee Robert Minor, heretofore referred to in connec- tion with another issue. Minor's testimony shows that at the first employee meeting he asked Treacy why the Company was opposed to having a union. I do not credit Minor's testimony that Treacy replied that Respondent wanted "a chance to prove that they [employees] can do better things with the Company than they could with the Union .. ." because that testimony is not corroborated by any other employee witness and is in fact denied by fellow employee witness Charles Wavra, as will be shown in the discussion of Wavra's testimony below. I further discredit this part of Minor's testimony because any examination of the record would show Treacy to be too able a lawyer and too long experienced and astute in labor law to have made such a statement to Minor and the assembled employees. In fact the testimony of virtually all the employee witnesses shows that Treacy repeatedly told the employees point blank that neither he nor O'Hagan was making any promises of wage raises or employee fringe benefits if the Union was voted out. However, Minor's testimony and that of virtually all other employee witnesses show that Treacy, in response to questions of what the employees could expect without a union, implored the employees "to trust" the Company; the legality of that response and other conduct outlined below will be considered at the end of this section of the Decision. Employee Unzo Givens, heretofore referred to in connec- tion with another issue. Givens' credited testimony shows that at the first meeting O'Hagan and Treacy appealed for their votes in support of decertification as "they would like for us to trust them for a year." His testimony further shows that when the employees pressed O'Hagan and Treacy for assurances on the employee benefits they would receive if the Union was voted out, O'Hagan and Treacy would reply, "Well, you just have to trust us, and I am sure that the other places [meaning the ultimate parent company's other 17 factories] trust us, they are very happy." Givens' further testimony shows that at the second meeting when the employees asked for some proof that the Company's other nonunion factories had better employee benefits, Treacy replied that "they had charts that he could bring down to try to establish this point." Givens' further testimony shows that when employees asked what Respon- dent's position would be on important employee benefits, Treacy replied, "Well, I can't answer that now ... but just trust us and I am sure that things will work out real good for you." Givens also testified that when the employees pressed the two company spokesmen for a "statement of guarantees," either Treacy or O'Hagan would reply, "I can't do that now, but after everything is over, then we could come in and just sit down and . . . know what our course would be if the union is decertified." I do not find that alleged reply to be a promise of better benefits if the Union is decertified. I further find that, even if that alleged reply is interpreted as a promise, I do not credit Givens' testimony that Treacy made such a reply. I also do not credit that alleged reply because it flies in the face of Givens' own testimony and that of all other employee witnesses herein, as well as that of Treacy and O'Hagan, that Treacy and O'Hagan repeatedly insistently told the assembled employees that the Company was not making any promises of any kind of benefits if the Union is voted out. Givens also testified, just as Minor had, that when employees asked what would happen if the employees had "' Not to be confused with Santo Gonzales. 910 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES grievances, O'Hagan replied in effect that, if a dispute arose between an employee and the plant manager, the employee would have the right of an appeal to him and that all the employees had "to do is to just call me and I can come down . . . and we will sit down and discuss the matter," and that "we lean toward the employee." Givens also testified to what transpired at the third and final employee meeting held on March 5, 1975, just 2 days before the decertification election. At that meeting Treacy and O'Hagan brought to the meeting a number of charts showing a comparison of wages and fringe benefits between Respondent's union and nonunion shops. These charts had been brought from O'Hagan's office where they had been on display, in response to employee requests at the prior employee meeting for some proof that employees at the parent company's nonunion plants do as well or better than the employees at the parent company's union plants. One of the charts brought to the March 5 meeting listed 17 plants, 12 of which were nonunion plants and 5 were union plants. The chart shows the starting rate of pay, top rate, average rate, night-shift premium, cost-of-living and average rate increase in the past 12 months for each of the 17 plants, including Respondent Lammert's Chicago plant. The chart shows average starting wage rate and average top rate in the parent company's 12 nonunion plants were $3.12 and $5.43, respectively, as against $3.02 and $5.25 in the parent company's 5 union shops. However, the chart showed that Lammert's organized plant employees enjoyed a higher average starting wage of $3.49 as against the average starting rates of both parent company's nonunion and union plants as aforenoted. Similarly, the chart shows that Lammert's organized plant employees also enjoyed an average higher top rate of $5.62 as against the lower average top rate of both the parent company's nonunion and union plants as aforenoted.'9 From the record as a whole, I find that this advantage that Lammert's employees have in wage rates over the parent company's other plants, both organized and nonorganized, in other parts of the country, is due to the fact that wage rates in the metropolitan area of Chicago is higher than in the less populated areas where the parent company's other plants are located. Aside from this factor, I find that the chart shows that pay-wise the employees in the Company's nonunion shops generally do better than those in the Company's union plants. The second chart brought into the March 5 meeting lists 11 plants, 5 of which are union shops and 6 are nonunion plants. The chart shows the rate of pay in the 11 plants for 10 representative or "bench mark" jobs, that is, jobs common to 3 or more plants. This chart likewise shows that the six nonunion shops generally pay higher rates for bench mark jobs than the union shops. The third and last chart brought into the March 5 meeting again lists the 17 plants owned by the parent company, 12 of which are nonunion shops and 5 are union shops. This chart shows the existence or nonexistence of all benefits in the 17 plants, including Lammert's Chicago plant. Although Respondent in its brief contends that it is 1i The chart also shows that the Lammert organized employees also received a higher average overall rate than was paid at either the parent Company's nonunion or union plants. virtually impossible to draw any conclusion from the chart, I concur in the comparisons made therefrom by General Counsel in his brief and accordingly find the chart shows (I) that generally the nonunion shops enjoy an attendance bonus whereas the union shops generally do not, (2) that the nonunion shops have a suggestion system whereas the union shops generally do not, (3) that the nonunion shops generally have better safety equipment, job evaluation, department seniority, and job injury pay than the union plants. After the wall-sized charts were hung on the walls of the meeting room with the assistance of Givens and other employees, Treacy invited questions from the employees on the data shown on the charts. From Givens' testimony as a whole, I find that the assembled employees got the impression from the charts that the employees in the parent company's nonunion shops were receiving higher wages and better employee benefits than the employees in the Company's union plants. Givens' testimony further shows that when the employees asked about specific benefits they would receive in the absence of the Union, Treacy's stock reply was that "you just have to trust us," that he could not go into details, and that he could not make any direct promises to the employees. Other testimony by Givens shows that when Treacy was asked about specific benefits Lammert employees might expect to receive if the Union was voted out, he replied, "I can't promise you direct, but [referring to the charts] you [can] see for yourself." Carl Brown, the union shop steward heretofore referred to in connection with other issues. Brown's credited testimony as to what Treacy and O'Hagan said at the three employee meetings is substantially the same as that of employees Minor and Givens; namely, that, in replying to employee questions as to what benefits the Lammert employees would receive without union representation, Treacy avoided a responsive answer by asking the employees to "just trust us for one year, and if you aren't satisfied with the way things are going without a union, at the end of one year you can bring the union back in." Brown's credited testimony further shows that Treacy, in answering such inquiries, repeatedly responded, "You just . . . have to trust us." Brown's credited testimony also shows that, when the employees asked what would happen to their right to file grievances if the Union was voted out, O'Hagan promised the employees that they could take their grievances to him personally if they got no satisfac- tion at the plant level. Employee Walter Ham, heretofore referred to in connec- tion with other issues. Ham attended the employee meetings of March 3 and 5. As shown above, the credited testimony of virtually all of the employee witnesses shows that Treacy recurrently asked the assembled employees "to trust the Company" while at the same time refusing to make any commitments or promises of specific employee benefits the employees would receive if they voted the Union out. On the same theme of trusting the Company, Ham's credited testimony shows that at the March 5 meeting Treacy told the employees, "if we vote for the Union we are telling them [Respondent] that we don't trust 911 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD them." Ham's further credited testimony shows that Treacy followed the above statement up with the declaration that, "If you try us for a year and you are not satisifed, you can vote the Union back in." Because Ham's memory appeared faulty, I credit Ham's above-described testimony solely because it is corrobo- rated by the testimony of other employee witnesses as shown above. I do not credit Ham's testimony that at the March 3 and 5 employee meetings Treacy told the employees that they would have bonuses20 without a union, because it is not corroborated by any other employee witness and because Ham's memory as noted did not appear to be reliable 21 although by his demeanor I regard Ham as a totally honest witness. In addition to the above findings, the record shows that employees Minor and Brown, strong union adherents, and other employees walked out of some of the employee meetings because they felt that the meetings were meaning- less since Treacy and O'Hagan refused to make any promises to employee questions on what they could expect in the way of wage increases and fringe benefits if the Union went out and because they were not satisfied with Treacy's indefinite promise that the Company would treat the employees fairly if they voted the Union out and were distrustful of his plea to trust the Company for a year. The above concludes the summary of the most relevant testimony of General Counsel's employee witnesses on the issues here under consideration. b. The testimony of Respondent's three employee witnesses and that of Treacy and O'Hagan Employee Wavra, heretofore referred to in connection with another issue. Wavra attended all three of the employee meetings here under discussion. Wavra was a more articulate witness than most of General Counsel's employee witnesses. His credited testimony shows that at all of the three meetings Treacy as spokesman for Respondent declined to make any promises or commit- ments as to what wages and benefits the employees would receive without a union to represent them because that was prohibited by law, but that the response of both Treacy and O'Hagan to inquiries on such matters was answered by requests to trust the Company for a year and that if at the end of a year the employees did not like the way Respondent treated them "they could always vote the Union back." Wavra's credited testimony also shows that both Treacy and O'Hagan told the employees that they would be treated fairly if the Union was voted out. Wavra, like all the other employee witnesses, testified that O'Hagan promised the assembled employees that they could take an appeal on any "problems" they had to him if their grievances on such problems were not satisfactorily settled at the plant level. 20 Although Ham's testimony does not show the type of bonus he had reference to, it appears from the complaint and the testimony of other employee witnesses, particularly Shop Steward Brown, that Ham's reference was probably to attendance bonuses. 21 For example on the unreliability of his memory, Ham under cross- examination testified that he could not recall the word "promise" or "promises" used at any time during the March 5 employee meeting whereas all the other employee witnesses testified that Treacy repeatedly refused to It will be recalled that the testimony of employee Minor was discredited above that Treacy at the first employee meeting told the employees that Respondent wanted "a chance to prove that" the employees "can do better with the Company than they could with the Union" because that testimony was not corroborated by any other employ- ee, among other reasons. I fully credit Wavra's "No, sir," to the question put to him by Treacy, "In any of the meetings was it said by anybody that the Company would do better for the men if they voted the union out." As heretofore noted, the record shows Treacy as too astute and too experienced a labor law lawyer to have made an obviously unlawful promise to the employees that the Company would do better with them without a union than it would do for them with union representation. Passing now to another phase of Wavra's testimony and based solely on Wavra's testimony, counsel for General Counsel requests a finding that "Treacy promised the employees that the Company would not cut their pay if the Union went out...." The pertinent testimony is as follows: Direct Examination Q. (By Treacy) Was anything at all said in the second meeting about the company's ability without a union to cut people's pay? A. (By Wavra) You said they could do it. Q. Was this in response to someone else's state- ment or did Ijust come out and say it? A. Someone asked you if you could. Asked you whether you could do it without a union. Q. Did I answer that question? A. You said, "Yes, it is true, we could without a union." Cross-Examination Q. Go to the second meeting you attended on March 3rd. It is true, isn't it, Mr. Wavra, at that meeting Treacy promised you he wouldn't cut your pay if the union went out. A. No, sir. Q. What did he say? A. He said that no company would do it, that if they did do things like that, people wouldn't trust them and then we would have another election in another year. Q. So he didn't promise you - wouldn't cut the pay because no company did that? A. That's not a promise, its a statement. Q. He made the statement that he would not cut your pay if the Union went out; is that correct? A. Right. make any direct or specific promises of employee benefits if the Union was voted out. However, this refusal to make specific or direct promises does not rule out the question of whether Treacy's plea to the employees "to trust the Company" and other conduct by Treacy and O'Hagan do not constitute promises of rewards to the employees if they voted the Union out in the then forthcoming decertification election. Decision on that issue is reserved for discussion below. 912 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES The record as set forth above shows that Treacy, in response to a question, forthrightly told the assembled employees that the Company in the absence of a labor contract would have the right to reduce wages, but at the same time told the employees that the Company had no intention of cutting wages if the Union was voted out. I find that Treacy was stating a reality, not a promise, when he told the employees in effect that there was no chance that the Company would cut wages if the Union lost the decertification election. That reality is that no ongoing business enterprise in these days of inflation and spiraling wage increases would even attempt to cut wages and that no firm which desires to operate a nonunion shop, such as Respondent does, would dare to cut wages under prevail- ing economic conditions as such a step would inevitably lead to militant efforts by the employees to restore union representation. I find that Treacy's assurance to the employees of no wage cuts if the Union was voted out, if deemed a promise, was in effect a negative promise of no adverse action, rather than the classical promise of higher wages and better fringe benefits as an inducement to employees to keep them from ousting the Union as their bargaining agent. I further find and conclude that, under the prevailing condition of spiraling wages and the sense I get from the entire record, Respondent's employees were expecting wage increases, not wage cuts, regardless of the outcome of the decertification election, and that Treacy's negative promise of no wage cuts if the Union was voted out played no part in the outcome of the decertification election which as noted above the Company won by only one vote. As aforenoted, the paragraph of the complaint here under consideration (par. VIII (e) as amended), alleged that at the employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, the Respondent "promised its employees economic benefits . . . including . . . raises . . . if the employees . . . discontinued their support of the Union." (Emphasis supplied.) As the General Counsel seeks a finding of a promise of no wage cuts if the Union is voted out, I find that proposed finding goes outside the scope of the pleadings. For all of these reasons and without further discussion herein, I find and conclude that Treacy's statement to the assembled employees, that Respondent had no intention of cutting wages if the Union was voted out, does not constitute a violation of the Act and further find and conclude that General Counsel is not in any event entitled to the finding it seeks here that "Treacy promised the employees that the Company would not cut their pay if the Union went out," because that finding lies outside the scope of the relevant pleadings.22 Employee Mario Gonzalez, a witness for Respondent, heretofore referred to on another issue. Gonzalez' testimo- ny shows that he attended all three employee meetings here under discussion. Although Gonzalez was shown above not to be a creditable witness in connection with another issue, I credit his testimony on what occurred at the three meetings because it is in conformity with the testimony of 22 I find that the issue of whether Treacy told or promised the employees that Respondent would not cut wages if the Union went out was not tried by consent, as an examination of Wavra's testimony under direct examination all other employee witnesses. Thus his credited testimony shows that Treacy made no promises of benefits to the employees if the Union went out, but did ask the employees to trust the Company. Gonzalez' credited testimony further shows that O'Hagan promised the employees the right of a personal appeal to him in the event a grievance went against an employee at the factory level. Employee Norbert Kurlik, the prime mover for the decertification of the Union, heretofore referred to in connection with other issues. Kurlik's testimony is essen- tially the same as that of all other employee witnesses, to wit, (I) that Treacy made no promises of benefits if the Union went out because that would be unlawful under the Act; (2) that Treacy asked the employees to trust the Company for a year because if they were not then satisfied with what the Company was doing for them they could bring the Union back; and (3) that O'Hagan promised to look into grievances if the employees were not satisfied with the way Plant Manager McGlone handled grievances at the plant level. Attorney Treacy, who took the stand as a witness for Respondent. Treacy's testimony is substantially in accord with the testimony given by the employee witnesses, with amplifications. Samples of his credited testimony are as follows: "I said frankly that we could not and would not make any promises or commitments on benefits whatever, and I explained to them for the second time that this was unlawful, but that we would ask employees to trust the company for a year, work with the company for a year ... and at the end of that time the law permitted them to have another vote if they wished to do so. I pointed out that they had a union at that plant [Respondent's involved Chicago plant] for a number of years. .... We were asked, for example, if we had unions and if we didn't [at other plants of the parent company], and we were asked how do you treat people? And we tried to convey the impression we tried to be fair to all the employees whether they were union people or not, but that all people would be treated just as fairly as if they had a union. .... If you put your trust in the company for a period of a year without the union then at the end of that time you could decide whether things have worked out well for you or whether they haven't, and if you don't think they have, this union or some other union will be glad to come and get you and you can write this year off and say: It didn't work." General Counsel seeks a finding that, "Treacy told the employees that all companies had benefits, and he promised that they will receive benefits." The request for the finding that Treacy "promised that they will receive benefits" is denied because it is contrary to Treacy's testimony as shown in the transcript of his testimony as corrected. As corrected, the transcript shows that Treacy testified as follows: "Now, with respect to the more prosaic benefits, such as holidays, vacations, and so forth, our standard answer [to employee questions] was: Yes, of course the company has these benefits; naturally it does. Every company has them, and we were asked, can we guarantee they [the employees] will get them. No; we can't by Treacy as counsel for Respondent shows that the alleged promise of no cuts in wages came in merely as a background sample of the questions and answers that were made at employee meetings in question. 913 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD do that, because you know we can't make any promis- es...." With respect to questions about pensions and insurance benefits, Treacy's testimony shows that he replied, "We [meaning himself and O'Hagan ] told them we could not make any commitments, that they would have to trust the company to treat the employees fairly." Treacy's further testimony shows that in answering questions from the employees on what benefits they could have if the Union was voted out, that "it was repeated over and over again in different ways, that if they voted the union out they would be treated fairly and treated decently, that we would not and could not make any commitments whatsoever, any tangible or precise guaran- tees." Respondent's adjunct counsel asked Treacy, "Did you at all say that the men [employees] could or would keep all of their benefits [under the collective-bargaining agreement] if the Union [which had been representing them for some 30 years] was voted out." Treacy's credited reply to the employees on this question was: "I said we couldn't guarantee even that. I said: Strange as it may seem it might be dangerous under the law to even make you a guarantee that you could retain everything that you have, now, if you voted the union out. I said: Even that could be considered as a promise, and on the other hand I said: Use common sense. Every company has benefits. Every company has pensions, insurance and holidays and that sort of thing, and you will have to consider for yourself: Are we going to take things away. Would you take things away. But we can't even give you assurances on anything as basic as that." 23 I asked Treacy what answer was given employees at the meetings as to what avenue of appeal they would have on a discharge in the absence of a union. Treacy answered that the reply to that question at the employee meetings came primarily from O'Hagan and that O'Hagan's reply went as follows: "He [O'Hagan] said that he had been with [parent] company for 28 years in his position as an industrial relations man and . . . 10 or 15 years as vice president [in charge of industrial relations], that it was one of his main functions, if not his main function, to see that all employees in all plants, union and nonunion, were treated fairly; that any employee in any plant anywhere in the country was welcome to call him at his office or at home, day or night, if he couldn't solve the problem internally, and then he [O'Hagan] added sort of as an aside.... In your plant I would like it if you go to see [plant manager] McGlone, first, if you have a problem, but if you can't settle it with Earl McGlone, you like any other employees are free to call me day or night at home, and I will come down to your plant as soon as I can." Asked by me if the right of appeal to O'Hagan was something new that O'Hagan was offering to the employ- ees, Treacy replied, "I am sure they never knew of this access before." Asked by adjunct counsel if O'Hagan told the employees at the employee meetings here in question about whether O'Hagan made himself available at other plants on 21 Counsel for General Counsel also seeks support for his proposed finding that Treacy "promised the employees that they will receive benefits." on the basis of Treacy's above-quoted testimony. I find that grievances, Treacy's credited testimony shows that O'Hagan told the Lammert employees that he had made himself available for such purposes at all of the parent company's multiple plants "on many occasions when he had visited these other plants...." Treacy's testimony further shows that O'Hagan told the employees that this privilege "was being extended to the employees at Lammert Industries if they cared to use it .... " With reference to Treacy's admitted promise of fair treatment of the Lammert employees if they voted the Union out, Treacy's credited testimony shows that he told the employees at the meetings here in question that they [the employees] had a great club or weapon over the Company "if we were unfair, then a year from now they would bring back a union, and we wouldn't have a chance of winning an election, so that for many reasons it was in our own best interest, the company's best interest, to be fair to people." Treacy also told the employees that another reason that the Company would treat them fairly even if they were not represented by a union was that, "We need these people [employees]. We have an investment in them. They know our business and our work .... " Charles E. O'Hagan, vice president in charge of industri- al relations of the parent company which owns 18 plants throughout the country, including Respondent's Lam- mert's Chicago plant, here directly involved. O'Hagan's credited testimony follows that of Treacy and all of the employee witnesses that at the three employee meetings here under discussion in that, in the words of Treacy, neither he nor Treacy made "any commitments whatsoever, any tangible or precise guarantees" on what the employees would receive in the way of wages and fringe benefits if they voted the Union out, but that all questions with respect to such matters were answered with the statement that the employees would "have to trust us." In line with the testimony of all other witnesses in the case, O'Hagan admitted that he told the assembled employees that in the event they voted the Union out they would have the right of appeal to him on any grievances which had been turned down at the plant level. In that connection, he was asked on direct examination, "Was any question asked if the union was voted out to whom the men would present their grievances inside the company.?" To this O'Hagan replied as follows: "Yes, they asked that question, and I said that what I done in any of our other grievances [meaning at nonunion shops owned by the parent company], I would get involved in it; but I preferred in all instances for them to go to their supervisor first of all and discuss it with them. And I pointed out that I had been in the industry for some 40 years on both sides of the fence and I was well aware of the fact that supervisors wasn't necessarily always right. I was also aware of the fact that employees weren't necessarily right. But I would listen to both sides, get the facts, and see what can be done to settle the problem fairly for both sides." The above concludes the summary of the pertinent testimony of what occurred at the company called employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, Treacy's quoted testimony is quite contrary to the proposed finding and again deny the requested finding. 914 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES 1975, which as seen preceded the Board-conducted decertification election of March 7, 1975, which the Union lost by a vote of one. While there are no essential conflicts of fact on what Mr. Treacy, as principal spokesman for the Company, told the assembled employees at the three meetings, I find that Treacy's testimony as outlined above and which I fully credit, presents a fuller, more comprehensive, and more accurate picture of what occurred at the meetings than the testimony of the employee witnesses. Since there are no meaningful conflicts of fact on the relevant occurrences at the employee meetings, the overrid- ing issue for decision is not one of credibility but instead a mixed question of fact and law of whether Treacy's admitted urgings of the employees at the meetings "to trust the Company" to deal "fairly" with them for a year constitute unlawful promises of economic benefits, despite Treacy's concurrent and repeated refusals to make any specific promises or commitments of benefits if the employees voted the Union out. Discussion and Conclusions As noted at the beginning of this section, one of the allegations of the complaint here involved alleges that Respondent, through an unidentified agent at the three employee meetings here under discussion, "promised its employees economic benefits, including, but not limited to, attendance bonuses, raises and pension benefits, if the employees oppose the Union and/or discontinued their support of the Union." The record shows the unidentified agent to be Mr. Treacy, Respondent's aforementioned attorney of record throughout the hearing herein. From the above findings I find and conclude that there has been a complete failure of proof that Respondent, through Treacy or any other agent, made any express promises of pay raises, attendance bonuses, pension benefits as alleged, or any other kind of fringe employee benefits, to induce the employees to vote to oust the Union in the then forthcoming decertification election. In the absence of any express promises of specific employee benefits as inducement for votes to decertify the Union, counsel for General Counsel relies on what he calls "general promises [by Treacy and O'Hagan] . .. that the employees will enjoy better benefits if the Union is voted out" which, if proven, would of course be in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. (Emphasis supplied.) The record shows that the only general promise made by Treacy and O'Hagan was in their combined pleas and promise to the employees that they should "trust" the Company to treat them "fairly," under the sure recourse the employees had at the end of the year to vote the Union back in, if the Company had not kept its preelection promise to treat them fairly. Counsel for General Counsel has not cited and I have not found any cases which hold that a general promise by 21 The expired union contract for the years 1973 and 1974 (Joint Exh. I) shows a wage increase for all classifications of employees in 1974 over that in 1973. Treacy's credited testimony shows that the employees at Respondent's Chicago plant had been receiving regular annual wage increases under their union contracts. Treacy's further testimony shows that an employer to treat employees fairly if they voted not to be represented, is a violation of the Act. Moreover, in my opinion, the Employer's promise to treat its employees fairly, even when they are unrepresent- ed, was more of a statement of economic reality in the present and foreseeable general business conditions than a promise. Economic reality, not the promise to treat the employees fairly, makes it a virtual certainty that after decertification the Company would continue to pay its employees at least the pay they had under the prior labor contract and to give them at least the equivalent of the fringe benefits they enjoyed under their labor contract. Similarly, economic necessity, not the promise, makes it a virtual certainty that the rising cost of living and the national trend for at least matching increases in wages would compel the Company to increase wages after decertification even in the absence of representations Finally, not the promise, but the existing reality of the parent company's own freely adopted and fairly uniform system of employee benefits at nearly all of its unrepresent- ed plants would make for the adoption of the same or similar benefits in the Lammert Chicago plant if the employees voted to be unrepresented. General Counsel places a great deal of reliance on the comparative wage and benefit charts Treacy and O'Hagan brought to the final March 5, 1975, employee meeting, as indicative of inferred promises that the Lammert employ- ees would fare better both in the matter of wages and benefits without union representation because the charts show that the parent company's nonunion shops generally pay higher wages for similar work and give better fringe benefits to their employees than the parent company's union plants. I find that these charts, shown to the employees at their own request, are statements of existing facts and not of promises. The Act does not prohibit an employer from merely making statements of existing fact to his employees prior to a representation election; the Act prohibits only promises of benefits to induce employees to vote to be unrepresented. Of course, the Lammert employees could draw inferences from the charts that, if they voted the Union out, they would receive the fringe benefits shown on the charts but such inferences would be actually in the face of forthright negative statements by both Treacy and O'Hagan that they were not promising them any benefits if they voted the Union out. Actually in the more fundamen- tal matter of wages, as distinguished from employee fringe benefits, the charts were adverse to Respondent, if their purpose was to get the Lammert employees to vote the Union out, because they showed that the Lammert employees under their expired union contract were being paid higher wages than the wages paid at any of the parent company's numerous other plants, whether they were union or nonunion plants. The parties have stipulated that the matters shown on the charts are not per se violations of the Act. "normally negotiations would be going on about this time, so that in reality, win or lose, they {Respondent's employees] could expect something in the way of an annual increase in the relatively near future." tEmphasis supplied.) 915 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD In summary under all the circumstances of record, I find and conclude that Respondent's exhibition of the charts to its employees did not constitute direct or indirect promises of the fringe benefits shown thereon to the employees if they voted to decertify the Union. Counsel for General Counsel relies on Felsenthal Plastics Inc. now known as Grede Plastics, A Division of Grede Foundries, Inc., 219 NLRB 592 (1975), as precedent for a finding of an 8(a)(1) violation here arising "from the entire context of the [three] meetings that Treacy impliedly promised to the employees that they would receive the benefits of the other nonunion plants of the Company if the Union were voted out." Counsel for General Counsel describes the facts and holdings of the Board in Felsenthal as follows: . . . the Employer sent the employees a letter which stated that the Employers' nonunion plants enjoyed better benefits than the employees had under their union contract. The letter urged the employees to become part of the "team." The Board found (Chair- man Murphy and Member Kennedy dissenting) that the letter, however factual, was a clear invitation to the employees to reject the Union and receive benefits for doing so, and was an unlawful promise of benefit. The Felsenthal case is wholly different in its facts than the present case as Respondent herein has never sent a letter as in Felsenthal to its employees stating that its "non- union plants enjoys better benefits than the employees had under their contract." Obviously, the charts here involved of the parent company, showing comparisions of wages and benefits between its nonunion and union plants, are not letters. Moreover, the parties herein have agreed that the charts per se are not violations of Section 8(a)( ) of the Act. Furthermore, the charts, which are purely factual, were brought in and exhibited to Respondent's employees because they themselves requested them for their own information; they were not brought in at Respondent's own initiative. If the charts had any tendency to imply to Respondent's employees that they would receive the seemingly superior fringe benefits paid to the employees in the parent company's nonunion shops if they voted the Union out, the record shows that Treacy at all times did everything in his power to disabuse the employees from any thoughts that Respondent was making any promises of benefits to influence them to decertify the Union at the then forthcoming decertification election. That emphatic denial of any promises came through so clearly as to cause some employees to walk out of two of the three company-called employee meetings described above. The Felsenthal case is not only different in its facts than the present case; it is also different procedurally in that, unlike the present complaint case, it arose out of a representation setting. The Felsenthal case, unlike most cases which are decided by a three-man division of the Board, was decided by a majority of the full Board with a strong vigorous dissent by Chairman Murphy and Member Kennedy. In conclusion I find a failure of proof that Respondent at employee meetings promised economic benefits in the absence of a union as alleged but do find that Respondent promised appeal rights on rejected grievances in the absence of a union, substantially as alleged. 7. Incident of alleged promise by Plant Manager McGlone to "Red Circle" employees for preferred treatment if they would help keep the Union out Paragraph VIII, (h) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that, "In or about late December 1974 ... Respondent, through its agent and supervisor Earl McGlone, at Respondent's facility, told an employee that he was going to 'red circle' the names of those employees who helped McGlone; that he would put something in their pockets, but the Union had to be out; and that he wasn't going to forget the employees that helped him." The employee involved in the above-alleged incident is Wallace Davis, a machinist who at the time of the hearing had been an employee at Respondent's plant since 1972. In an earlier section of this Decision, under another allegation of the complaint, it was found that Plant Manager McGlone, in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act, promised Davis reimbursement of the $100 he had paid in delinquent union dues plus an additional $100 if he would abandon his support of the Union. In support of the allegation here under consideration as quoted above, Davis testified that on December 23, 1974, McGlone approached him at his work station in the plant and told him "that any guys . . . that would help them [management] out as far as getting the union out that he would red circle their names, and he would put something in their pockets because he wouldn't forget the guys that helped them." In a pretrail affidavit dated January 20, 1975, some 8 months before the hearing herein, Davis attributed substantially the same statement to McGlone. Although Davis' testimony does not expressly show what "red circling" means, I infer and find from the context of his testimony and his pretrial affidavit that the term as spoken by McGlone to Davis conveyed the thought that employees would be "red circled" or marked for preferen- tial treatment if they would refrain from supporting the Union in the then forthcoming decertification election. McGlone testified that he used the term "red circling" to mean the freezing of a present employee's wages at its current level in the event a then pending reevaluation of the employee's work classification called for a lower wage. I do not credit this testimony as it relates to McGlone's conversation with Davis and on the contrary find that McGlone used the term in the broader and unlawful sense shown above in his "red circling" remark to Davis. Although McGlone did not specifically deny making the "red circling" statement attributed to him by Davis as shown above, he denied ever saying to any of the employees in the plant "any guy or any employees who help me get the Union out will be red circled." I discredit this denial by McGlone and his definition of "red circling" as he claimed he used the term in talking to Davis because the many previous incidents shown in prior sections of this Decision show McGlone to be an unreliable and uncreditable witness in his zeal to defeat the Union in the decertification election. 916 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Finally, it is noted that McGlone did not deny that he told Davis that "he would put something in their [employ- ees'] pockets for supporting his efforts to get the Union out, the latter phrase being in substance as alleged in the subparagraph of the complaint here under consideration. Conclusions The issue being solely one of credibility, I credit Davis' testimony that Plant Manager McGlone told Davis that he would "red circle" or reward and also otherwise reward employees by putting something in their pockets who helped him get the Union out, substantially as alleged in the complaint. I find this conduct by the Company through its plant manager to be a violation of Section 8(aXI) by promises of benefits to employees in order to induce them to refrain from or cease union activities. 8. Incident of Plant Manager McGlone's order for removal of union buttons Paragraph VIII, (i) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that in or around March 1975 Plant Manager McGlone "ordered an employee to remove a union button from the employee's cap, and told the employee that he did not want to see the union buttons in the shop any more." Although this allegation alleges that only a single employee was ordered by Plant Manager McGlone to remove a union button from his person, General Counsel adduced evidence showing that McGlone also ordered two other employees to remove their union insignia from their persons. General Counsel's principal witness on the allegation here under consideration was employee Walter Ham whose testimony under other issues was evaluated and credited in prior sections of this Decision.25 Ham's credited testimony shows that on the Tuesday following the decertification election of March 7, 1975, which, as seen, the Union lost by a vote of one, Plant Manager McGlone looked Ham up at his work station in the plant and ordered him to "take off the union button" he was wearing on his person. Ham complied and McGlone walked away. This order by McGlone to Ham was corroborated by the testimony of employee William Carpenter who overheard the order.26 McGlone admits talking to Ham about taking his union button off but sought to soften the impact of the incident by his testimony that he merely told Ham that he would "appreciate your taking it [union button] off and forgetting about this" as the election was over and he was anxious to defuse the bitterness that had arisen between the prounion and antiunion forces in connection with the decertification election. I credit Ham's testimony, as corroborated by Carpenter, that McGlone ordered Ham to remove his union button because McGlone repeatedly in prior reported incidents has shown himself to be an utterly unreliable witness. But under either version of the union button incident, the order 25 See findings above under par. VIII (b) and (e) of the complaint as amended. 25 For testimony by Carpenter on another issue, see findings above under par. VIII (b) of the complaint. as amended. or request to remove a union button from the person of an employee while at work is a violation of Section 8(aX)() of the Act. Ohio Masonic Home, 225 NLRB 509 (1976). The credited testimony of employees Carpenter and Robert Minor 27 also show that they, too, had been ordered by McGlone to remove union insignia from their persons at or about the same time that McGlone ordered Ham to remove his union button. McGlone's denial that he also told other employees to take their union buttons off, is not credited. Conclusion In summary, I find and conclude that General Counsel has sustained his burden of proof on the violation charged in paragraph VIII (i) of the complaint, as amended, and that by reason of Respondent's order to three of its employees while at work to remove their union insignia from their persons, Respondent is in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. 9. Incident of McGlone's interrogation of employee re posting of union leaflet Paragraph VIII (j) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that, "On or about January 27, 1975, Respondent, by its agent and supervisor Earl McGlone, at Respondent's facility, interrogated an employee as to why the employee had hung up union literature at Respondent's facility." The record shows that the employee in the above allegation to be Rodney Mason, an assembler, whose testimony under other issues was considered in prior sections of this Decision.28 As an assembler, Mason worked in that part of the Chicago plant known as the assembly room. On the morning of January 27, 1975, Mason as he was about to report to work was handed a piece of union literature outside the plant protesting Respondent's dis- charge of employee Pedro Ramos as an unfair labor practice. Mason thumb-tacked the Ramos union leaflet on a stairway in the assembly room alongside a posted notice of the then forthcoming decertification election, which I infer and find had been posted at the plant by Respondent pursuant to direction from the Regional Director. In- formed of Mason's posting of the union leaflet by another employee, Plant Manager McGlone removed the leaflet but moments later confronted and received an acknowl- edgment from Mason that he had hung up the union leaflet. McGlone asked Mason why he had posted the leaflet and Mason replied that since "the union passed it out legally, there was no reason why everybody shouldn't be able to read it," especially "since McGlone was going around campaigning against the Union." McGlone replied, "Don't worry. I won't hold it against you." McGlone admits the incident as testified to by Mason but justifies his removal of the union leaflet on two grounds. One is that the union contract then still in force has a provision for a union bulletin board and that Mason 27 Robert Minor has also testified in connection with other issues in the case as shown in earlier sections of this Decision. 2' See findings above under par. VIII (dX I) and (2) of the complaint as amended. 917 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD hung the union leaflet at a place other than the union board. The contract provision on the subject of a union bulletin board reads as follows: "The Company shall furnish a bulletin board for the exclusive use of the Union. Matters to be posted thereon shall first be submitted to the Plant Manager." I find that this provision in the contract does not limit the posting of union literature solely on the union bulletin board. McGlone testified that his other reason for removing the Ramos union leaflet from its place in the assembly room is that it aroused the anger of three other employees who were opposed to the Union and that for this reason he asked Mason to place such union literature at other parts of the plant in order to avoid aggravating such union- opposed employees. The three alleged aggravated employ- ees were not called by Respondent to corroborate McGlone's testimony. The record stands admitted, however, that McGlone did interrogate Mason as to why he had hung up the Ramos union leaflet. As shown, this interrogation took place on January 27, 1975. Ramos had been discharged on January 17, 1975. Mason himself was laid off on January 31, 1975, 4 days after he had been interrogated by McGlone about his posting of the Ramos union leaflet. The discharge of Ramos and the layoff of Mason caused a strike at Respondent's Chicago plant in mid-February which lasted about a week and was settled only through the intervention of Mr. Treacy, counsel for Respondent, who was brought into the picture of Respondent's labor problems for the first time at the time of the strike. The complaint herein, as amended, charges Respondent with the discriminatory discharge of Ramos and the discrimina- tory layoff of Mason. These will be dealt with in subsequent sections of this Decision. In the section of this Decision next below, there is a finding that Plant Manager McGlone in late December 1974, which was about a month prior to McGlone's interrogation of Mason here under consideration, promised Mason "that if the union got out Respondent would permit employees in one [lower paid] classification to train and become employees of a different [higher paid] classifica- tion," as alleged in subparagraph (k) of paragraph VIII of the complaint, as amended, in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. Discussion and Conclusions The issue here is not whether Mason had the right to post the Ramos union leaflet in the assembly room or whether Plant Manager McGlone had the managerial right to take the union leaflet down. The real issue is whether McGlone's admitted interr6gation of Mason as to why he had put up the Ramos union leaflet constituted coercive interrogation in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. I find and conclude that McGlone's interrogation of Mason was coercive in nature because it was an obvious and threatening angry reaction by McGlone to his discovery that Mason was still sympathetic to the Union, notwithstanding McGlone's promise of a month earlier to Mason that he would have a better chance to train for the better paid job of a machinist if the Union was voted out, as indicated above and detailed in the next section of this Decision. I also find that the interrogation was coercive because it was designed to get Mason to talk about the extent of his interest and involvement in the Union. Because of the repeated instances shown aove of McGlone's unlawful efforts by promises of various benefits to employees if the Union was voted out in the election, I do not credit McGlone's testimony that his motivation in asking Mason why he hung up the union leaflet was merely to protect other nonunion sympathizing employees from being aggravated by such union literature. Finally, I do not credit McGlone's "reassurance" to Mason that he would not hold his posting of the Ramos union leaflet against him because a finding in a later section of this Decision shows that only 4 days after McGlone's interrogation of Mason over the union leaflet Mason was discriminatorily laid off. In summary, I find and conclude that McGlone's interrogation of Mason as to why he posted the Ramos union leaflet in the plant's assembly room constituted coercive interrogation into Mason's union interests and sympathies in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 10. Incident of McGlone's promise to employees to permit them to get into higher pay classifications if the Union got out Paragraph VIII (k) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that in late December 1974 Plant Manager McGlone "promised an employee that if the union got out, Respondent would permit employees in one classification to train and become employees of a different classifica- tion." The employee involved in the above-alleged incident is, as heretofore noted, the aforementioned Rodney Mason who worked as an assembler in the assembly room of Respondent's Chicago plant. Mason's credited testimony shows that, on a Saturday in late December 1974 when he was alone in the assembly room, Plant Manager McGlone came to him and engaged him in a conversation. Mason's further credited testimony shows that, in the short conversation he had with the plant manager, McGlone told him that "if the Union went out . . .he would try to get the assemblers to start training on the machines and [to] become machinists." Mason's credited and uncontested testimony also shows that at the time of his above conversation the Respondent under existing practice did not permit assemblers to train to become machinists whose starting wage is $1.70 higher per hour than that of starting assemblers. (Joint Exh. 1.) McGlone denied that he told Mason that if the Union were defeated in the decertification election he would try to get assemblers to work on the machines. I do not credit McGlone's denial because as heretofore noted many times I do not find him to be a creditable witness. Previous findings in many incidents show that McGlone, in his zeal to get the Union decertified, made many promises of benefits to Respondent's employees if they would vote the Union out. 918 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Conclusion I find and conclude that McGlone by his promise to Mason that he would try to benefit assemblers by giving them the opportunity to train for more skilled and better paid jobs if the Union was voted out, violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 11. Incident of McGlone's threat to fire any employees not voting to decertify the Union Paragraph VIII (I) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that in about mid-January 1975, Plant Manager McGlone at Respondent's Chicago plant "threatened to get rid of the employees who were against him in the election." The credited testimony of machinist Willie Carpenter, heretofore mentioned in connection with other incidents, shows that about the middle of January 1975 McGlone told him at the Chicago plant that "he would fire anybody that went against them [management] in the decertification election." I credit Carpenter's testimony because of his obvious sincerity and discredit McGlone's denial that he made the above-noted threat to Carpenter because of McGlone's repeated lack of credibility as heretofore shown. Conclusion I find and conclude that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act through the threat of its agent, Plant Manager McGlone, to fire any employee who did not vote to decertify the Union. 12. Incidents of alleged bribes by McGlone to employee to discourage him from supporting the Union Paragraph VIII (m) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that, once in February 1975 and at another time in March 1975, McGlone at Respondent's Chicago facility "gave an employee money in order to discourage the employee from supporting the Union." Santos Gonzales 29 is identified by the record as the employee referred to in the above allegation; at the times here material he was employed at Respondent's Chicago plant as a specialist. Gonzalez, whose native tongue is Spanish, speaks a broken but intelligible English, under which there is no doubt of his meaning. Gonzales is one of the group of six unit employees heretofore referred to in an earlier section of this Decision whose discharge the Union under a letter dated November 26, 1974, to Plant Manager McGlone, had demanded under the terms of the collective-bargaining agreement because of serious delinquency in the payment of union dues.30 The monthly union dues are about $8.50. At the time of the Union's letter to McGlone demanding Santos Gon- 29 Not to be confused with Mario Gonzalez referred to in the earlier section of this Decision dealing with the employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5. 1975. 30 See discussion above under section dealing with par. ViIl (b) of the complaint. as amended, which alleges that Plant Manager McGlone promised an employee reimbursement of his union dues if the employee zales' discharge for nonpayment of dues, Gonzales was $80 delinquent in his union dues. Within days after the demand for his discharge, Gonzales paid the $80 he owed the Union and thus avoided termination. Two months later in February 1975 there was a strike at the plant over the aforementioned discharge of Pedro Ramos and the aforementioned layoff of Willie Carpenter. On the first day of the strike Gonzales crossed the picked line and worked that day, but at the end of the day he told McGlone he would not return to work the next day because he was afraid to cross the picket line. McGlone agreed that Gonzales should stay home if he was afraid. The strike which lasted more than a week was ended on February 25, 1976, due to a settlement arranged by Respondent's aforementioned counsel, Mr. Treacy, as heretofore noted. Gonzales' testimony shows that the following incident happened to him at the plant a week or so after the strike had ended and at a time only days prior to the then scheduled decertification election of March 7, 1975. On the date of the incident Gonzales was wearing a jacket because the plant's furnace was not functioning due to damage incurred from neglect during the strike.3 1 Gonzales' credited testimony shows that during a coffeebreak that day and while he was standing at the coffee machine he saw McGlone's hand put something in one of the pockets of his jacket. McGlone said nothing to Gonzales but when Gonzales got back to his work station he found two $20 bills in his pocket. These two $20 bills was not his own money and were not in his pocket prior to the time McGlone put his hand into Gonzales' pocket. I infer and find that the money was put in Gonzales' pocket by McGlone. Gonzales' credited testimony shows that a duplication of the same incident occurred on the very day of the election of March 7, 1976, but after the voting had taken place and the poll had closed. Gonzales' testimony shows that after the election was over while he was at a coffeebreak at the coffee machine McGlone in passing by him put something in Gonzales' pocket. Once again McGlone said nothing to Gonzales but Gonzales later found a second set of two $20 bills in his pocket. The two $20 bills was not his own money and were not in his pocket prior to the time McGlone put his hand into Gonzales' pocket. I infer and find that the money was put in Gonzales' pocket by McGlone. McGlone's denials of having twice stuffed two $20 bills into Gonzales' pocket is not credited, not only because of Gonzales' superior demeanor but also because throughout the hearing covering numerous incidents I have found McGlone to be an untrustworthy and noncreditable witness. There is also additional inferential evidence that McGlone was the person who had stuffed Gonzales' pockets with four $20 bills. The amendment of the complaint here under consideration was served on Respon- abandoned his support of the Union. This prior section found a violation of the Act. 31 Gonzales merely testified that there was "no heat at that time." but testimony of other witnesses shows that this was due to the fact that the furnace was not functioning for the reason stated in the above finding. 919 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD dent for the attention of Mr. McGlone on August 7, 1976. (See G.C. Exh. I(r) for the amendment and attached registered receipt of service of the amendment.) That amendment, as aforenoted, alleges that sometime in February 1975 and again sometime in early March 1975 McGlone "gave an employee money in order to discourage the employee from supporting the Union." It should be noted that the employee mentioned in the allegation is not identified by name. But the evidence shows that McGlone upon the receipt of the amendment on August 7, 1975, knew immediately that the unidentified "employee" men- tioned in the amendment must be Gonzales because of out of all the 21 employees at the plant, McGlone, on the day of the receipt of the amendment, went directly to Gonzales to tell him (as stated by Gonzales), "Somebody put some charge against me [i.e., McGlone] in the Labor Board because somebody [an employee] in the Company said they got paid for vote against the Union." McGlone himself admits that upon the very day of the receipt of the amendment he had a conversation with Gonzales about the new charges against him [McGlone] concerning the payment of money. Thus, McGlone's act in looking up Gonzales upon the very day of his receipt of the new amendment to the complaint, to tell Gonzales, out of all the other 20 plant employees, about the new charge against him (McGlone), is a tacit admission by McGlone that he knew that Gonzales was the employee who had reported to the Board that he (McGlone) had stuffed Gonzales' pockets with $20 bills on and before the date of the representation election. I further infer and find from McGlone's act in looking up Gonzales and telling him about the new unfair labor charge against him (McGlone) that this was a silent admission that he (McGlone) had stuffed Gonzales' pockets with $20 bills and a silent reproach to Gonzales for having reported the incidents to the Board.32 Discussion and Conclusion I find that the undisputed fact that Gonzales crossed the picket line on the first day of the strike to work as usual at the plant, was an indication to Plant Manager McGlone that in all probability he had in Gonzales an employee who was not sympathetic to the Union and who might be influenced to vote the Union out at the then forthcoming decertification election. I infer and find that in an effort to assure and influence Gonzales to use his vote to decertify the Union, McGlone stuffed Gonzales' pockets with $20 bills to bribe Gonzales to vote the Union out. I find and conclude that this effort by Respondent through its agent McGlone to bribe an employee to discourage him from supporting the Union constitutes a gross and flagrant violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 32 On Resplxndent's motion at the hearing, a ruling was made striking Gonzales' testimony about the above-described conversation McGlone had C. Two Pleaded Unlawful Terminations and a Nonpleaded Threat of Discharge for Union Activity and Respondent's Special Defense for not Making the Alleged Discriminatees Whole After Reinstatement 1. Background Paragraph XI of the complaint, as amended, alleges that Respondent by its aforementioned agent McGlone dis- charged an employee named Pedro Ramos on January 17, 1975, because of his union and/or protected, concerted activity and further alleges that although Respondent reinstated Ramos on February 17, 1975, it did not make Ramos whole for his lost earnings in the interim period in which Ramos was not employed by Respondent. Similarly paragraph X of the complaint, as amended, alleges that another employee, the aforementioned Rodney Mason, was discharged or laid off on January 31, 1975, by McGlone because of his union and/or protected, concerted activity and further alleges that although Respondent reinstated Mason on March 10, 1975, it did not make him whole for his lost earnings in the interim period in which Mason was not employed by Respondent. The record shows that the discharge of Ramos and the layoff or discharge of Mason and of one other employee not here involved caused an unfair labor strike of about 10 days' duration in February 1975 in which some violence occurred. The strike was settled through the intervention of Mr. Treacy, Respondent's aforementioned attorney, with the result that Respondent's employees returned to work on February 25, 1975. The settlement agreement is reflected in a handwritten page dated February 24, 1975, and signed by a representative of the Charging Union and by the aforementioned Mr. O'Hagan, vice president in charge of personnel for Respondent. The agreement called for the reinstatement of both Ramos and Mason "with all rights and privileges effective February 25, 1975, at 8 a.m." The agreement also provides that Ramos and Mason "waive any and all claims for back-pay for the periods of time recently when they were suspended." (Resp. Exh. 14.) Although the Regional Director approved the withdrawal of certain charges not involved in this proceeding, it is undisputed that he never approved the settlement agree- ment. The complaint herein seeks backpay for the two alleged discriminatees for loss of earnings by reason of their suspensions from their jobs. 2. Findings as to Ramos Ramos was discharged on January 17, 1975, by Plant Manager McGlone for the alleged reason of theft that day of four rolls of company toilet paper, but the complaint charges that he was discharged because of his union and protected activities. At the time of his discharge, Ramos had worked for the Respondent for about 3 years and was a shipping department employee. Ramos is native of Puerto Rico; he speaks English but is more comfortable and articulate in his native Spanish. with Gonzales on August 7. 1975, as irrelevant. Upon reconsideration that ruling is hereby rescinded. 920 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Ramos for personal reasons did not work on the day of his discharge which was payday but came to the plant in the late morning to ask McGlone for his paycheck which McGlone gave him. Ramos put some dirty work clothes in a shopping bag to take home and put the bag near the timeclock where he intended to pick it up after he had cashed his check at an exchange near the plant. Before leaving to cash his check Ramos greeted his fellow employees and showed some of them a typewritten letter in Spanish. The charge that Ramos was terminated because his union activity springs from the content of that one-page letter. The letter is dated January 17, 1975, the same day that Ramos was discharged, and is on the letterhead of a Spanish community paper with offices in the Merchandise Mart in Chicago. The letterhead in large decorative print shows the name of the newspaper to be, "Gallo, the Fighting Cock, A Community Minded Spanish Newspa- per." The letterhead also shows that the general manager or editor of the newspaper to be Alfredo Torres De Jesus and the letter is signed by Torres. The letter is personally addressed to Ramos as well as to Santos Gonzales, M. Gonzales, and B. Gonzalez, all of whom were employed by Respondent at its Chicago plant. Although the record does not contain an English transla- tion of the Spanish letter (G. C. Exh. 3), I find that the substance of the letter is correctly described in General Counsel's brief as follows: The letter states that Torres was not writing the letter as any union employee or company bureaucrat; that he was a newspaperman and had been fighting for the legal recognition of workers to be represented with the human and legal guarantees which have been estab- lished by state and federal laws ever since the difficult times of tobacco workers in Utado, Puerto Rico and in Chicago since 1956. The letter stated that organizing workers with this objective in mind had cost lives and sacrifices, and that in Puerto Rico they had struggled to achieve the best for the worker, and that in the United States they are fighting one of the hardest battles in history to establish a union for the farm workers in an industry that is not fortunate to be unionized. The letter continued saying that the employees in Lammert had one of the best unions in the world - the machinists, and that the writer understood that there are problems of communication and information, and they exist everywhere, but these are minor details to be corrected with the help of a good union steward who they have the right to elect, but the important thing was to be backed up by the guarantees of the collective bargaining agreement which the Company must abide by. Without the contract, the promises of the Company are meaningless, and the employee could not even count on a secure job. The letter states that unions, governments, and churches all depend on contributions of their members in order to exist, and that it would be impossible for a :3 The representation election was originally set for January 24. 1976. but postponed to March 7. 1976. :"I See Resp. Exhs. 3 and 15. :', I do not credit any testimony by McGlone that he did not know the man or an unrecognized group to pay the amount it would cost to obtain the representation costs. A lawyer would charge thousands of dollars to negotiate a contract that really wouldn't represent the workers' interests, but that on the other hand each employee paying a small monthly amount results in everybody obtaining all that service from a union without further worry. The letter continued, asking if they could imagine what would happen to a government if the people didn't pay their taxes; then the government wouldn't be able to give any services. The letter concluded with the statement that the election at Lammert would be on January 24,33 that the person should think what he is doing and that the union was the only protection the law can give the worker. While Ramos was showing the letter to the employees, Benny Gonzalez, who is named in the letter as B. Gonzalez and whose given name in Spanish is Benito,3 4 asked to see it. He then took the letter to the duplicating machine where he caused copies of the letter to be duplicated. Gonzalez gave a copy of the letter to McGlone and translated or interpreted the Spanish into English for McGlone.3 5 Gonzalez also distributed copies of the letter to other Spanish-speaking employees. McGlone took the copy of the letter Benny Gonzalez had given him to shop steward Minor. Minor's credited testimony shows that McGlone told him that Ramos could be fired for passing out such union literature in the plant although in fact Gonzalez as McGlone knew was the employee who had duplicated and passed out copies of the letter which Ramos had brought to the plant and had shown to some of his fellow Spanish-speaking employees. In the meanwhile Ramos left the plant to cash his paycheck, leaving as aforementioned his shopping bag at the timeclock. He was out about 20 minutes. In the interval McGlone engaged Minor and the aforementioned union shop chairman Brown in a conversation in his office on the rights of the Union to post notices in the plant under the collective-bargaining agreement at places other than the Union's bulletin board furnished by the Company. While they were talking, Charles Skrable, a working foreman, came into the office and whispered something into McGlone's ear. McGlone then asked Brown to go with him, and he told Minor to return to work. In the meantime Ramos had returned to the plant and was walking out of the door with his shopping bag when McGlone stopped him, emptied his shopping bag, and discovered four rolls of company toilet paper. McGlone accused Ramos of stealing the tissue, which was the same brand as used in the restroom of the plant. There is a conflict of testimony as to Ramos' response to the accusation. Brown and Minor who had been summoned by McGlone to the scene testified that Ramos made no response to the accusation; McGlone testified that Ramos admitted that he had taken the four rolls of toilet paper; Ramos testified that in replying to the accusation he denied to McGlone that he had taken the rolls of toilet paper. content of the prounion letter until after Ramos' discharge because I have found his testimony in incident after incident charged by the complaint to be unreliable. 921 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Based on the testimony of Brown and Minor which I fully credit, I find that Ramos stood mute when McGlone accused him of stealing the toilet paper. I do not credit McGlone's testimony that Ramos admitted the theft of the tissue as McGlone has consistently shown himself not to be a creditable witness. I also discredit Ramos' testimony that he denied the theft to McGlone as I am convinced from the testimony of Brown and Minor that Ramos remained silent 36 when McGlone accused him of the theft. At any rate, McGlone then and there discharged Ramos for the alleged reason of his theft of the company toilet paper. Discussion and Conclusions on Discharge of Ramos I do not find it necessary to decide whether Ramos actually stole the four rolls of toilet paper because, even if it is assumed that he did steal the tissue, the question remains whether Ramos was in fact discharged for the theft or whether the theft was used as pretext for terminating him because of his union activity and his protected activity in showing the above-described letter to his fellow workers. From the record as a whole, I find and conclude that Respondent through Plant Manager McGlone seized on the alleged theft as a pretext for terminating Ramos for his union and concerted union activities in violation of Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act. Numerous previous findings show McGlone's bitter antiunion campaign and his numerous unfair labor practices in behalf of Respondent in efforts to get the Union voted out in the then scheduled decertification election. The record further shows that the equally strong and cogent prounion letter Ramos brought to the plant greatly aroused McGlone's ire and anger because the letter from the Spanish newspaperman set forth very powerful and persuasive reasons why the employees in Respondent's Chicago plant should vote to keep the Union in as their exclusive bargaining agent. The letter so enraged McGlone that he told Minor, the union shop steward, that Ramos could be fired for passing out copies of the Spanish newspaperman's prounion letter to fellow employees, although McGlone knew that it was Gonzalez, and not Ramos, who had duplicated the letter and distributed copies thereof to other Spanish-speaking employees in the plant, as well as to McGlone himself. Within minutes after having made this threat to the union shop steward, I find and conclude that McGlone carried out the threat by firing Ramos for his union and protected union activities under the handy guise and seemingly plausible pretext of the then almost simultaneous discovery of an alleged theft by Ramos of four rolls of company toilet paper as found in Ramos' shopping bag. Finally, even if it is assumed that Ramos' did steal the four rolls of toilet paper, I find that the severity of the penalty for this offense-termination of an employee with some 3 years of continuous service with the Company-is a further indication that Ramos' discharge for theft was a coverup for his termination for bringing prounion literature into the plant. As pointed out by counsel for General :16 Ramos' silence does not necessarily call for an inference that he stole the tissue; the toilet rolls could have been planted in his shopping bag and this, if true, could also explain his dumbfoundedness. Counsel, there is no evidence that McGlone ordered Ramos to return the toilet paper and warn him about such future occurrences; there is no evidence that McGlone even gave any consideration to suspending Ramos for a period of time as a penalty for the offense; there is no evidence that Respondent routinely metes out such harsh penalties to its half-literate Spanish-speaking employees. Moreover, Ramos' discharge for the petty theft, if it was a theft, of four rolls of company toilet paper, is contrary to Respondent's own understanding of the importance of treating its employees fairly as stated by Mr. Treacy, Respondent's counsel, and heretofore noted, to wit: "We need these people [employees]. We have an investment in them. They know our business and our work .... " All of these factors constitute further proof that McGlone's real motive for discharging Ramos was for his union activity and not for his seeming theft of four rolls of toilet paper. Discussion and Conclusions re General Counsel's Request for a Separate Finding of an Unpleaded 8(a)(1) Violation Based on McGlone's Threat of a Possible Termination of Ramos for Bringing the Prounion Letter Into the Plant As shown above McGlone made a threat to Minor, the union shop steward, that he (McGlone) could discharge Ramos for bringing and showing the prounion letter (he had received from a Spanish newspaperman) to his Spanish-speaking coworkers. As noted above, McGlone did in fact terminate Ramos shortly after he made the threat to discharge him. However, the complaint, as amended, does not allege this threat by McGlone to be a separate or independent violation of Section 8(a)() of the Act. At the hearing the threat was brought out merely as a background fact to show that McGlone shortly thereafter did in fact carry out his threat by firing Ramos for his protected right to show the prounion letter to his coworkers. Accordingly, I found above that Ramos was discharged in violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act, as well as under Section 8(a)(3) of the Act. However, counsel for General Counsel, on the ground that the issue of the threat "was fully litigated at the hearing" in connection with Ramos' 8(aX)(I) termination, now seeks a separate finding that the threat in itself constitutes an independent 8(a)(1) violation, notwithstand- ing the fact that the threat is not pleaded in the complaint, as amended. I find that, although the record does show that McGlone did make the threat (to the shop steward), Ramos could be terminated for circulating the prounion letter to his coworkers, I find that counsel for General Counsel did not put Respondent on notice at the hearing that he was raising this new issue and that Respondent was not consciously aware that this new issue was being raised. For these reasons I deny General Counsel's request for a finding of an independent 8(aX)(I) violation by reason of McGlone's described threat to terminate Ramos. I note, however, that, because of the very extensive unfair labor practices found 922 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES herein by Respondent, the cease-and-desist order I will issue in this case will be sufficiently broad to encompass the described threat. 3. Findings as to employee Mason The issue as to Mason is whether he was temporarily laid off because of an economic slump in Respondent's business or whether the real reason for his layoff was his uncompromising union sympathies and activities. Mason was hired as an assembler on September 19, 1971, and laid off on January 31, 1975, a Friday, about I a.m. In September 1974, the month of Mason's hiring, Respon- dent's Chicago plant had orders in the amount of $137,906, but in November 1974 the volume of sales plummeted to $59,203. In December 1974 and January 1975 orders had risen to $82,393 and $82,051, respectively. In February 1975 the orders dropped somewhat to $78,189, but in March 1975 the orders went up to $87,879. It is noted Respondent did not lay off Mason in November 1975 when the orders dropped dramatically to $59,203 from $137,906 in September 1974. Similarly, Respondent did not lay off Mason in December 1974 when sales had risen to $82,393, but did lay him off on January 31, 1975, when sales were nearly the equivalent of December 1974. Respondent's sales are subject to wild variations: thus in July 1974 the Company had orders in the amount of $226,759. At the time of his layoff, Mason had the lowest seniority of any employee in the plant, but he was also the only layoff in the plant. The collective-bargaining agreement provides for layoffs in each of the several classifications of work3 7 at the plant based on seniority in each classifica- tion. Respondent offered no testimony to show why it chose to reach into the assembler work classification as against all other work classifications in the plant to make a layoff, thus causing the layoff of Mason in Respondent's assembly department because he had the lowest seniority in that department. In the weeks ending January 4, 11, 18, and 25, 1975, many employees in the various departments of the plant worked overtime but in the week ending January 31, 1975, when Mason was laid off, no employees put in any overtime. In the weeks ending January 4 and 11, 1975, Mason put in 11 and 12-1/2 hours of overtime, respective- ly. Saunders, who like Mason was also employed as an assembler, worked overtime in the weeks ending January 4, 11, 18, and 25, 1976. No overtime was worked by any employees in February 1975 which I infer and find was in large part due to the strike in that month. In March 1975 the employees again began to put in much overtime. As heretofore noted, McGlone laid Mason off on January 11, 1975. Some 10 or 15 days prior to Mason's layoff, McGlone learned that Mason had been selected to be the Union's observer at the decertification election, then scheduled to be held late in January. A prior section of this Decision shows that on January 27, 4 days before Mason's layoff, McGlone got into a dispute with Mason over Mason's hanging a union leaflet, a7 These include working foremen, machinists. specialists, assemblers. helpers, and janitors. :1s 1 infer and find from this testimony by McGlone that he talked to LeBlanc by telephone as there is no evidence that LeBlanc is stationed at protesting employee Ramos' discharge, alongside the Board's notice of the then forthcoming decertification election, during the course of which McGlone engaged Mason in coercive interrogation about his union activities, which was found above to be in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. At the time of the described incident, McGlone told Mason he would not hold it against him. Mason's layoff by McGlone occurred 4 days after Mason's posting at the plant of the Union's protest against the Company's discharge of Ramos. Of the six or seven other assemblers at the plant, Mason was the only assembler who was laid off. At the time of Mason's layoff on January 31, 1975, Mason's credited testimony shows that McGlone told him he would be laid off for 2 weeks. About 10 days after Mason's layoff, the employees at the plant, as aforenoted, went on strike for a period of about 10 days in the month of February 1975, in protest of Ramos' discharge and Mason's layoff. As aforementioned the strike was settled and Mason was reinstated to his job on February 25, 1975, as a result of a strike settlement agreement brought about through the intervention of Mr. Treacy, Respondent's attorney, as aforeshown. After Mason's layoff, no one was hired to do hisjob. McGlone testified that Respondent's business at its Chicago plant is not subject to long term planning with respect to layoffs because the plant's volume of work is subject to change "from day to day," depending upon the orders the Company received from day to day and that accordingly the layoffs at the plant are "day by day." In McGlone's own words Respondent's Chicago facility is "a small plant and we live from day to day really. If we get one large order on pumps worth $5,000, then we hang on for another day. That's the way business has been." However, Respondent presented no evidence that it made any layoffs at all between September 1974 and the end of January 1975 except for the layoff of Mason on January 31, 1975, despite the wide upward and downward swings of orders between such months of September and January. McGlone testified that it was his custom to talk to his superior, Joseph LeBlanc,38 the first week in every month about orders and sales and that it was his standing instruction "to watch personnel and any cuts in tooling or anything I can do I better start doing." McGlone laid Mason off not after he made his usual report to LeBlanc in the first week of the month but just prior thereto. Discussion and Conclusions I find Respondent's defense that Mason was laid off because of a slackening of orders at its Chicago plant is unconvincing. The record shows that the Company consistently retains about 21 employees at its Chicago plant month after month regardless of the monthly variations in the dollar volume of orders it receives. Thus, although the Company's orders of $137,906 in September 1974 slumped to $111,783 in October 1974, Respondent made no layoffs in October. Again, although the Compa- ny's aforenoted orders of $111,783 in October 1974 Respondent's Chicago plant and the record supports the inference that LeBlanc is the manager in charge of production of a number of plants of the parent company. 923 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD plummeted to $59,203 in November 1974, the Company still made no layoffs. Similarly, there were no layoffs in December 1974 for apparently the obvious reason that the amount of orders had risen $82,393 in December from the low point of $59,203 in the preceding month of November. But at the end of January 1975, McGlone laid off Mason, notwithstanding the fact that the orders received in January were substantially the same ($82,051) as they had been in the preceding month of December ($82,393) and despite the fact that the Company was already short one employee by reason of its above-noted discriminatory discharge of Ramos on January 17, 1975. The months of February and March 1975 after Mason's layoff likewise fail to show any economic justification for Mason's layoff. In February the amount of orders dropped only about $4,000 over the previous month, due to the closedown of the plant in February because of the strike, but in March the orders increased materially to $87,879. Thus, Respondent's layoff of Mason in January was inconsistent with the Company's obvious policy of keeping its work force intact even when there are in some months drastic reductions in the amount of orders received. It is also apparent that the amount of orders Respondent receives in any I month is not in itself indicative of the amount of work to be performed in Respondent's plant. In some months the orders may be so overwhelming (such as $226,759 in July 1974) that it may take many subsequent months to catch up with the work. Another factor pointing to the lack of economic justification for Mason's layoff is that in the very month of Mason's layoff there were many employees, including assemblers Mason and Saunders, who were called on to work overtime. Respondent's asserted economic justification for Ma- son's layoff is also brought into further doubt because Respondent made no showing as to why of all departmen- tal work at the plant the assembly department where Mason worked was chosen for a layoff-that is, Mason. Finally, I reject McGlone's asserted economic justifica- tion for Mason's layoff because McGlone has consistently shown himself to be an unreliable and noncreditable witness. For all of the above reasons, I find and conclude that McGlone used lack of work as a pretext for laying off Mason and that the true reason for Mason's layoff was his union activity in hanging up at the plant a union protest against Ramos' discharge, alongside the Board's notice of the then scheduled decertification election. I also infer and find that Mason's union activity in accepting an appoint- ment to be a union observer at the election also played a part in his layoff at the plant. I find and conclude that Respondent discriminatorily laid off Mason in violation of Section 8(a)(3) of the Act. Discussion and Conclusions re Respondent's Defense Against Backpay for Ramos and Mason In its brief Respondent takes the position that Ramos and Mason, if found discriminatorily suspended from their jobs, should nevertheless not be allowed backpay because in the written agreement executed by the Union and Respondent on February 24, 1975, settling the strike at Respondent's plant, it was agreed that, "R. Mason and P. Ramos waive any and all claims for backpay for the period of time recently when they were suspended." Respondent "submits this agreement deserves to be honored," but admits that it "does not contend that the Board participat- ed in or approved this agreement" and states that, "Accordingly, Respondent does not contend that this agreement is binding on the Board." By its admission that the non-Board settlement here under discussion is not binding upon the Board, Respon- dent is taking cognizance of a long-established policy that the Board retains jurisdiction in such situations for the effectuation of public, rather than private, rights. This policy has again been recently affirmed in Jerstedt Lumber Company, Inc., 209 NLRB 662, fn. 2 (1974). In that case the equities for not issuing an order for backpay were far stronger than here because in Jerstedt the company had actually made restitution for lost earnings before the issuance of the Administrative Law Judge's decision in the case and accordingly moved to vacate the Administrative Law Judge's decision. The Board nevertheless denied the company's motion to vacate the Administrative Law Judge's decision for two reasons, one of which is, that "it is not the Board's practice to waive its jurisdiction and thereby deprive the public of the right of enforcement." As precedent for this action, the Board cited its 1960 decision in Aacon Contracting Company, Inc., 127 NLRB 1250, 1269, wherein it is stated that, "It has been a long-settled law that a respondent cannot deprive the Board of jurisdiction or the public of the right to enforcement of the public rights involved by the stratagem of 'any . .. private settle- ment.' " Respondent's request, deemed a motion, for the deletion of the traditional "make whole" order in the recommended Order to be entered herein for the restitution of lost earnings for Ramos and Mason, is denied. D. Issue as to Whether Attorney Treacy's Pretrial Interrogations of Employees re Facts on Charged Violations in Preparations for TrialAre Unlawful Paragraph VIII (n) of the complaint, as amended, alleges that "On or about August 6, 1975, Respondent, through its agent at its facility located in Chicago, Illinois, interrogated employees concerning the testimony the employees had given and/or were to give before the Board." The record shows that the unnamed agent in the allegation is the aforementioned counsel for Respondent, William Treacy. The hearing of this proceeding under the principal complaint, as amended herein, in Case 13-CA-14147 opened on August 13, 1975, at Chicago. Seven days prior to the opening of the hearing, Respondent's counsel, Treacy, on August 6, as part of his preparation of Respondent's defenses against the charges alleged in the complaint, went to the Company's Chicago plant, accompanied by a court reporter, to take such statements of fact from the plant's employees, as they would voluntarily give him on the unlawful conduct charged against the Company. The employees interrogated by Treacy were the ones the Company believed would testify against it in the hearing. The interrogations were conducted in the office of Plant Manager McGlone because it was the quietest place in the 924 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES plant, but McGlone did not participate in the interroga- tions and was not present when they took place. The witnesses were summoned one by one by the Assistant Plant Manager Gus Zikas who simply told the called employee that Mr. Treacy wanted to talk to him. The only persons present at the interrogations were Treacy; Edward Jones, the court reporter; Carl Brown, the aforementioned union shop chairman, who remained at each interrogation at the request of Treacy; and the employee who was being interrogated. The questions by Treacy and the answers by the employees were stenographically recorded by the court reporter and transcripts thereof are in evidence as exhibits. At each of the interrogations, Treacy interrogated the employees chiefly on what he (Treacy) had told the employees at the company-called employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, in view of the allegation of the complaint that he3 9 had made unlawful promises at such meetings of economic benefits if the employees would give up their support of the Union. (In an earlier section of this Decision, it was found that Treacy had not made any unlawful promises to the employees at the three employee meetings as alleged in the complaint, as amended.) The record shows that all of Treacy's interrogations related strictly and exclusively to inquiries of fact with respect to the unlawful acts charged to the Respondent by the complaint, as amended. Treacy made no inquiries unrelated to the allegations of the complaint. A review of the transcripts of the interviews shows that Treacy interrogated the employees with uniform tact and courtesy and without any coercion. Where an employee had an uncertain recollection of the event inquired into, Treacy would sometimes try to refresh the employee's memory with what Treacy believed to be the facts, but he never sought to bully or otherwise coerce the employee into a favorable answer. At the beginning of each interview, Treacy told the employee that the purpose of the interview was to help the Company to prepare its defense to the present lawsuit. Likewise, at the beginning of each interview, Treacy routinely told the employee that he was under no obligation to talk to him (Treacy) and that if the employee preferred not to be questioned that his refusal to be interviewed would not be held against him or that his refusal would not cause any hard feelings against him and that the employee was free to leave the room before any questioning began or during the course of the interrogation if the employee so desired. In all Treacy spoke individually to seven employees that day and each interview was conducted in the presence of Carl Brown, the Union's shop chairman, who was himself interviewed by Treacy with Brown's consent. Three of the seven summoned employees told Treacy they preferred not to be interviewed. These three employ- ees were Robert Minor, William Carpenter, and Walter Ham, heretofore mentioned in other connections. When Minor, the shop steward, said he preferred not to talk, Treacy told him, "Fine. Then we have an understanding, you and 1, and there are no hard feelings." Treacy's remark 39 The involved allegation is par. VIII (e) of the complaint, as amended. That allegation does not mention Treacy by name as the company "agent" "no hard feelings" was a reiteration of what Treacy had told Minor in his opening statement if Minor chose not to be interviewed. (G. C. Exh. 16.) In Treacy's opening statement to Carpenter, he told him, "You sure don't have to talk to us at all if you don't want to. If you don't talk to us, nothing is going to be held against you. This is your free choice." When Carpenter told Treacy that he preferred not to talk, Treacy said to him, "You have a free choice to stay or go." (G. C. Exh. 17.) Similarly, in his opening statement to Ham, Treacy told Ham, "You don't have to talk to me. If you don't, there are no hard feelings, believe me, whether you do or don't .... " When Ham said he preferred not to talk, Treacy replied, "It's a free country, man. Nice to see you anyway. Take care. We'll be around. I hope you will too." (G. C. Exh. 19.) The remaining four employees who called and consented to be interviewed by Treacy were Carl Brown, the union shop chairman, John Harper, Benito Gonzalez, and Unzo Givens. The transcripts of their interviews by Treacy show that they agreed without any coercion to tell Treacy what they recalled about the incidents alleged in the complaint under which the Company is charged with unlawful conduct. But before Treacy began interrogating them, he told each employee that he did not have to talk to him if he did not want to and that his refusal to be interviewed would not be held against him. More specifically, Treacy told Union Shop Chairman Carl Brown, "Carl, you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to. That's your privilege. If you would rather not, we will still, I hope, be friends. Certainly we won't hold anything against you." (G. C. Exh. 15.) Treacy told Harper "you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to. That's your free choice. There will be no hard feelings no matter what you decide...." (G. C. Exh. 18.) Treacy told Gonzalez, "You don't have to talk. .... There will be no hard feelings either way. I want to ask you what your memory is." (G. C. Exh. 20.) Finally moving on to Givens, Treacy told him, "You don't have to talk to me if you don't want to. If you don't there is no hard feeling. I will tell you this much, I won't ask you any question that is unfair, and if I do you just say you won't answer it. That's all. Or if you feel like leaving, you get up and walk out, there is no hard feelings...." Givens chose to answer some of the questions Treacy put to him but declined to answer other questions. (Resp. Exh. 16.) From the record as a whole, I find and conclude that Treacy in one way or another in effect assured each employee he called in for questioning that the Company would not harm him in any way if he refused to subject himself to his (Treacy's) questioning him about what he recalled the facts to be about the events set forth in the complaint under which Respondent is charged with unfair labor practices. This is evident from Treacy's various expressions of assurances of no harm to the employees that if they refused to be interrogated, such as the expressions, (1) there would be "no hard feelings," (2) "nothing is going to be held against you," (3) "there will be no hard feelings no matter what you decide," and (4) "there are no hard feelings either way." who made the promises of economic benefits, but the record identifies the unnamed agent to be Treacy. 925 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD The following excerpt40 from the transcript of Treacy's interrogation of employee John Harper on August 6, 1975, is illustrative and representative of the care Treacy took to tell each of the interviewed employees on the same date (1) that the purpose of the proposed interview was to help Respondent to prepare its defense against the unfair labor practices charged to the Company in the complaint and (2) that the Company would not visit any harm on employees who declined to be interrogated or who refused to answer some questions but not other questions: To John Harper: My name is William Treacy, and I am the Lawyer for the Company. As you may know, the Union has filed a lot of charges against the Company, and it is my job to try to defend the Company. You have no objection to my defending the Company. That's myjob. A. Yes. Q. I would like to talk with you and ask you about some of these things, primarily what was said in those meetings which you attended, but I want to tell you, you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to. That's your free choice. There will be no hard feelings no matter what you decide. .... If you are willing to talk, I guarantee I won't ask you any questions that are going to be personal. Secondly, if at any time during the discussion you think, "Well, he is not keeping his word," and you want to walk out, you are free to do so, and again no hard feelings. It is perfectly legal for us to talk. As you know, any lawyer in getting ready for a case talked with every witness he can put his hands on. That's the way you do your job. Would you be willing to hear what I have to say before you make up your mind? A. Yes, I will let you talk. [G. C. Exh. 18] The transcripts of the interviews of August 6, 1975, further show that Treacy in his interrogations of Respon- dent's employees did not try to coerce the employees to answer any questions they preferred not to answer. The transcript of Treacy's interrogation of employee Unzo Givens is illustrative of this. As aforenoted Givens was one of the four employees who agreed to being interrogated on the events alleged in the complaint, but he refused to answer some of Treacy's questions. In opening the interview, Treacy said to Givens, "I will promise you this much, I won't ask any questions that is unfair, and if I do you just say you won't answer it. That's all .... " During the course of the questioning, the following took place: Q. (By Treacy) So far have I asked you any question that you object to? A. No. * * * Q. Now, they [the complaint] claim that at this meeting Earl [Plant Manager McGlone] said if the guys vote against the Union, "I promise you will have better insurance benefits. Did he say that?" A. . . . But now it's getting into a further explana- tion, and since it started getting into a further explanation, I would prefer to answer any question like that on the stand before the Justice. Q. (By Treacy) Fair enough. At this meeting did Earl [McGlone] promise to give the men an increase in sick days. A. Here again- Q. Same answer? A. Same answer. Q. No problem. I am keeping my word to you, aren't I? A. All right. None of the employees who were called in for interviews by Treacy on the aforementioned date of August 6, just 7 days before the beginning of the hearing of this proceeding, were asked to answer questions under oath and none were asked to sign their names to the transcripts of their interviews. It is again noted that all of Treacy's interviews took place, at Treacy's urgent request, in the presence of the Union's in-shop representative, Carl Brown, the Union's shop chairman. The only agent of Respondent at the interviews was Treacy, the Company's labor law counsel. The record herein fails to show any reprisals or even claims thereof by Respondent against the employees who refused to be interrogated by Treacy or in the case of the employees who agreed to being interrogated, for refusing to answer some questions while answering other questions, although some months had elapsed between the first hearing on this consolidated proceeding in August and September 1975 and the second hearing herein in February 1976. Discussion and Conclusions Both General Counsel and Respondent are agreed that under well-established law an employer has the legal right to investigate facts without incurring 8(a)(1) liability by interrogations of the employer's employees concerning unfair labor practice issues raised by the pleading where such interrogation is necessary for the preparation of the employer's defense for the hearing of the case, provided, however, certain safeguards are met to protect the employees from inherent dangers of coercion in such interrogations. These safeguards, designed to minimize the coercive impact of employer interrogation, are specifically set forth in Johnnie's Poultry Co. and John Bishop Poultry Co., Successor, 146 NLRB 770, 775 (1964), as follows: Thus, [1] the employer must communicate to the employee the purpose of the questioning, [2] assure him that no reprisal will take place, and [3] obtain his participation on a voluntary basis; [4] the questioning must occur in a context free from employer hostility to union organization and [5] must not be itself coercive in nature; [6] and the questions must not exceed the necessities of the legitimate purpose by prying into other union matters, eliciting information concerning 4" This excerpt is chosen because of its comparative brevity. 926 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES an employee's subjective state of mind, or otherwise interfering with the statutory rights of employees. [Footnote omitted.] As stated in Johnnie's Poultry, "When an employer transgresses the boundries of these safeguards, he loses the benefits of the privilege." I find and there appears to be no dispute on this, that Respondent has met the safeguards or requirements set forth under the bracketed numbers 1, 3, and 6 of the above quotation from Johnnie's Poultry and has accordingly, at least with respect to these three safeguards, met the conditions for allowable interrogation of its employees without 8(a)(1) liability. However, General Counsel contends that Respondent lost its 8(a)(1) immunity because of Respondent's alleged failure to meet the safeguards shown as number 2, 4, and 5 of the above-quoted paragraph from the Board's decision in Johnnie's Poultry. Of these General Counsel lays his greatest stress on safeguards 2 and 4, but gives precedence in his brief to safeguard 4. Safeguard 4 requires that "the questioning must occur in a context free from employer hostility to union organiza- tion." Counsel for General Counsel contends that Attorney Treacy's questioning of Respondent's employees did not occur in a context free from union hostility because, in connection with its efforts to win the decertification election, "Respondent's vigorous unlawful conduct includ- ed threats of reprisals, promises of benefits, discriminatory discharges and other unlawful acts." He also contends that the place of the interrogation itself, McGlone's office, was not in a context free from employer hostility because McGlone "had earlier committed numerous violations of the Act." He further contends that the mere fact that the questioning was conducted by Treacy negatived a context free of employer hostility because Treacy in the minds of the questioned employees was associated with Treacy's alleged unlawful promises of benefits at the employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, in order to induce the employees to abandon the Union. The difficulty with General Counsel's contention that Treacy's examination was conducted in an atmosphere of pervasive employer hostility to union organization is that all employer acts of union hostility had stopped, as conceded by General Counsel, at least 5 months prior to the time Treacy was conducting his prehearing interroga- tion of Respondent's witnesses on August 6, 1975, which preceded the opening of the hearing by only 7 days. Moreover, the decertification election which took place on March 7, 1975, was likewise past history at the time Treacy began his August 7 interrogations of Respondent's witness- es in preparation for the hearing. Thus, at the time of Treacy's prehearing employee interrogations, the contest and strife between the Company and the Union for votes in the decertification election had long stopped. Similarly at the time of Treacy's prehearing interrogations, the Febru- ary unfair labor strike caused by Respondent's discharge or suspension of employees Pedro Ramos and Rodney Mason had ceased long ago and the two employees had been reinstated as a part of the strike settlement worked out by Treacy. Under these circumstances, I find that Respon- dent's long past unlawful conduct was not a factor in preventing Treacy's prehearing interrogations from being carried on "in a context free from employer hostility to union organization." Next counsel for General Counsel contends that because Treacy's interrogations took place in Plant Manager McGlone's office and because McGlone had committed numerous violations of the law, the interrogations did not take place in a context free from employer hostility to union organization. I also find this contention without merit for substantially the same reasons I found above for not finding Treacy's interrogations to be coercive by reason of Respondent's long past violations of the Act. An additional factor in this determination is the fact that the only quiet place in the plant for Treacy to conduct his employee interrogations was in McGlone's office and the further fact that McGlone was not present at any of the interrogations and does not appear to have been in the plant or around the area of his office at the time of the interrogations. Similarly, McGlone had no part in sum- moning the various employees for questioning by Treacy as this was done by Assistant Manager Zikas who is not charged in the complaint with any violations of the Act in his capacity as an agent of Respondent. General Counsel's final contention on safeguard 4 is that Treacy's interrogations in preparation for hearing herein were inherently coercive because of Treacy's own unlawful conduct by his (alleged) promises of benefits to Respon- dent's employees at the employee meetings of February 27 and March 3 and 5, 1975, if they would abandon the Union at the then forthcoming decertification election. This contention is likewise rejected because my findings on the issue of whether such promises were made show that Treacy not only did not make the alleged promises, but also show that some of the employees at the noted employee meetings actually walked out of the meetings because of Treacy's adamant refusal to make any such promises of benefits. Passing on to safeguard 2, it is renoted that that safeguard requires the employer who seeks to interrogate an employee in preparation for a hearing must, "assure him that no reprisal will take place," as one of the requirements the employer must meet to avoid 8(a)(1) liability. Although counsel for General Counsel admits that no "magic words" must be used in conveying assurances against reprisals to employees, he argues that Treacy as Respondent's attorney and agent failed "to convey to the employees that no reprisals will be meted out against them because of their answers." My findings above show that Treacy's expres- sion to the employees that "Nothing is going to be held against you," or the variation thereof, "There will be no hard feelings no matter what you decide," were assurances to the employees that no harm would befall them if they chose not to be questioned or if their answers were unfavorable to their employer. I deem and find these expressions to be the equivalent to the expression "that no reprisal will take place" and probably more meaningful as common experience shows that the word "reprisal" is not a common expression among common people. Cf. Essex Wire Corporation, 188 NLRB 397, 411 (1971), where the expression of "no harm" would result whether or not the employees agreed to be questioned was deemed in effect to 927 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD be the equivalent of an assurance of no reprisal. Cf. also with Salina Concrete Products, Inc., 218 NLRB 496 (1975), where the words, "Are you willing?", are deemed to be the equivalent of the word, "voluntary" as used in safeguard 3 in Johnnie's Poultry. Finally, there is no evidence that Respondent in the months between the first hearing herein in the late summer of 1975 and the supplemental hearing herein in early 1976 visited any reprisals on the employees who refused to consent to questioning or who, after consenting to questioning, refused to answer certain questions. Thus the record shows that Respondent kept Treacy's promises to the employees that nothing would be held against the employees who declined to be questioned or who declined to answer certain questions. Moving on to safeguard 5 in Johnnie's Poultry, it is renoted that it requires that an employer's questioning "must not be coercive in nature." Counsel for General Counsel contends that Treacy's questioning was coercive in nature because for the most part his interrogations related to "the truth of statements made at the February 27, March 3 and March 5 [employee] meetings-at which he was present and therefore knew full well what had occurred." In elaboration of this contention, counsel for General Counsel rhetorically asks, "How could Treacy's purpose have been to secure facts when he already had the facts?" I find this argument without merit because regardless of what Treacy personally knew of his own knowledge of what had occurred at the three employee meetings, he had no knowledge of how the employees would remember what had been said at the meetings or how the employees would testify thereto at the hearing. To properly prepare for the hearing, Treacy owed a duty to Respondent, his client, to learn in advance of the hearing whether there would be dispute over what he and Respondent's vice president, O'Hagan, had actually told the employees at the three employee meetings as it is common knowledge that two or more persons who have witnessed the same event may come up with wholly different versions of what occurred. As it turned out, Treacy's prehearing employee questioning as shown by the transcripts thereof reveal an accord between Treacy and the questioned employees that Treacy had not made any express or direct promises of benefits to the employees at the three employee meetings if they would abandon the Union. I find that this in itself was a legitimate purpose of the interrogation because it aided Treacy in advance of the hearing on what to expect in the way of testimony from the same employees at the actual hearing of the case and legitimately further laid a basis for impeachment if at the hearing the witness departed from what he had told Treacy in his prehearing interrogation. Counsel for General Counsel also urges that Treacy's prehearing questioning of Respondent's employees was coercive in nature because "through leading questions" he "sought to alter the answer of the employee," but cites no examples of this from the transcripts of the interrogations. My own examination of the transcripts shows that Treacy questioned each of the employees without coercion but with tact and the utmost courtesy and while, to be sure, Treacy did ask some leading questions, that in itself did not make the questioning coercive as the very purpose of a prehearing investigation by interrogation is to probe for the facts. A typical example of the noncoercive nature of Treacy's questioning is reflected in the findings above where it is shown that when Treacy asked employee Unzo Givens, "So far have I asked you any question that you object to?", Givens replied, "No." The same above findings further show that Treacy released Givens without any argument and with grace from answering any questions that Givens stated should be best left for answering at the hearing proper. In summary, I find and conclude that Treacy's prehear- ing interrogations of Respondent's employees met all the safeguards of Johnnie's Poultry against the dangers of coercion inherent in such employer interrogations and that accordingly Respondent's interrogations of its employees through Treacy on matters involving their Section 7 rights took place without incurring 8(a)(1) liability. Alternatively, I find and conclude that there has been a failure of proof under paragraph VIII (n) in the complaint, as amended, here involved, that Respondent on August 6, 1975, through its agent (Treacy), "interrogated employees concerning the testimony the employees had given and/or were to give before the Board" because in a literal sense there is not a scintilla of evidence of proof thereof. In other words, the transcripts of Treacy's interrogations of the seven employees he questioned totally fail to show that Treacy asked a single question "concerning the testimony the employees had given and/or were to give before the Board." On the contrary, the transcripts show that Treacy's interrogations related solely and exclusively to the employ- ee's memories or recollections of the events alleged in the complaint, as amended, under which Respondent is charged with unfair labor practices. In a broader sense it may be true, of course, that Treacy's questioning of Respondent's employees on their recollec- tions of the events charged to the Respondent in the complaint, as amended, may also have resulted in indirect questioning of the employees on the contents of their prior sworn statements to the Board on the same events or of the testimony the employees may be called upon to give on the same events at the hearing herein. I find, however, that notwithstanding such incidental affects of Treacy's questioning, Respondent had the right under Johnnie's Poultry to engage in such prehearing questioning on the issues raised by the pleadings where as here all the safeguards against coercion set forth in Johnnie's Poultry have been met. E. Findings of Fact With Respect to Whether Respondent Should Be Ordered To Bargain With the Union As noted in the opening paragraph of this Decision the parties regard the principal and critical issue herein, among the myraid of issues in the case, to be whether an 8(a)(5) order should be recommended requiring Respondent to bargain with the Union. As stated by counsel for General Counsel in his supplemental brief, "the heart of this case involves the issue of whether Respondent will be ordered to bargain with the Union...." This is the issue that Respondent in its original 228-page brief, dealing exclu- sively with 8(a)(1) and (3) issues in the case, does not 928 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES directly address itself to, but now argues extensively in its supplemental brief. The issue is complicated by the fact that in September 1975 Respondent permanently closed both its Chicago Wood Street plant, which had been under contract with the Charging Party Union for 30 years, and its aforementioned unrepresented, smaller Westwood Avenue plant in Addi- son, a suburb of Chicago, and transferred the operations of these two old plants and all of their interested employees to a newly constructed plant in Addison on Fullerton Avenue which had been under construction during much of the time the above-named violations of Section 8(aXl1) and (3) of the Act were taking place. During the construction of the new plant and even before the construction began the employees at both Respondent's Chicago plant and the old Addison plant on Westwood Avenue were aware that they would be offered transfers to the new plant when it was completed and ready for operation.4 l In the 30-year bargaining history here involved, the last and final contract between the Union and the Company covered the 2-year period between February 1, 1973, and February 1, 1975. It is well established that a recognized union by virtue of an existing collective-bargaining agreement, as in the instant case, enjoys "a dual presump- tion of majority-[ I ] a presumption that the union was the majority representative at the time the contract was executed, and [2] a presumption that its majority continued at least through the life of the contract." Barrington Plaza and Tragniew, Inc., 185 NLRB 962 (1970), enforcement denied on other grounds sub nom. N.LR.B. v. Tragniew, Inc., and Consolidated Hotels of California, 470, F.2d 669 (C.A. 9, 1972). Upon the expiration of the contract, the presumption still continues but may be rebutted by (1) clear and convincing proof that the Union did not in fact enjoy majority support at the time of the refusal to bargain or by (2) a good-faith doubt at the time of the refusal to bargain as demonstrated by "objective considerations" that the employer has some reasonable grounds for believing that the Union has lost its majority status. Barrington Plaza, supra, and cases cited therein. Respondent by its original pleadings herein admits that since on or about November 27, 1974, the Union has requested the Respondent to bargain with it with respect to the wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of Respondent's employees at its Chicago Wood Street plant and further admits "that it has not bargained with the Union as alleged," but under paragraph XII of its answer, in defense of its refusal to bargain, affirmatively alleges that it "is not ... legally obligated to bargain collectively with said Union" because "on or about November 27, 1974, a petition for decertification of said Union was filed with the Board and on or about March 7, 1975, pursuant to said petition, a decertification election was conducted by the Board, resulting in ten (10) votes being cast for representation by the Union and eleven (11) votes being cast against representation by the Union, with no votes 41 Plant Manager McGlone's testimony shows that in late 1974 he spoke to the employees in Respondent's Chicago plant about the Company's plan to build a new plant in Addison and about their transfer to the new Addison plant when completed. I infer and find that the employees in the then- existing auxiliary plant in Addison also knew that they. too. would be offered transfers to the new plant when completed in the same town of Addison, although there is no direct evidence on this. challenged." Paragraph XII of the answer further denies that Respondent engaged in any unlawful acts "in order to undermine the representative status of the Union," as alleged in the complaint. After the close of the first hearing herein on September 3, 1975, Respondent on September 12 moved to amend its aforenoted paragraph XII of its original answer in which, as above noted, its sole defense for its refusal to bargain with the Union was that a decertification petition had been filed on November 27, 1974, that it had not committed any of the alleged unfair labor practices, and that it had won the decertification election held on March 7, 1975. By its motion to amend, Respondent proposed to readopt paragraph XII of its original answer but to add to it for the first time the following new defense for its refusal to bargain, to wit; "At no time material hereto did the Union represent a majority of the employees herein involved." Before ruling on the motion, I required Respondent to submit a statement in support of the motion, showing that the then-completed record had some evidentiary support for the amendment. That statement of support (Resp. Exh. 25) was offered and submitted into evidence on February 4, 1976, which was the last day of the second hearing in this consolidated matter. On the basis of the facts stated in Respondent's statement of support, the motion to amend paragraph XII of the complaint was allowed. As reflected in its statement of support for the amendment, Respondent seeks to prove primarily through employee Norbert Kurlik that at all times here critical it had knowledge that the Union no longer represented a majority of the unit employees. In its supplemental brief Respondent claims it had such knowledge of lack of union majority support at least prior to December 9, 1974, which is the date the complaint alleges and I found Respondent committed its first unfair labor practice. In summary from the pleadings and the record as a whole, I find that the Union requested bargaining for a new labor contract on precisely November 27, 1974, and that the Respondent precisely on that date refused to bargain. Accordingly, I find that November 27, 1974, is the critical date for the determination of whether or not the Union on that date still enjoyed the legal presumption of majority support from the unit employees here involved. 42 That presumption of majority status, under a long line of Board decisions, is rebuttable only by (I) competent evidence that Respondent as of November 27, 1974, had knowledge that the Union in fact no longer enjoyed majority status or by (2) creditable evidence that Respon- dent as of November 27, 1974, had a good-faith doubt based upon "objective considerations" of the Union's continuing majority as of that date. Barrington Plaza, supra, and cases cited therein; Bartenders, Hotel, Motel and Restaurant Employers Bargaining Association of Pocatello, Idaho and its Employer-Members, 213 NLRB 651 (1974). To rebut this legal presumption of the Union's continued majority support on the critical day of November 27, 1974, 42 Under the pleadings it is established that the appropriate unit here involved includes all of Respondent's production and maintenance employees at its Chicago plant but excluding all office employees, clerical employees, professional and technical employees, guards and supervisors, as defined in the Act 929 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Respondent relies on a document bearing the title "Petition" signed by most of the unit employees, expressing an interest in a decertification election, which was filed with the formal decertification petition. The opening paragraph of that documemt which General Counsel calls "a showing of interest petition" reads as follows: The undersigned, employees of (sic) Lambert Indus- tries, hereby requests the National Labor Relations Board to conduct a decertification election with regard to the above-named International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. The document bears the signatures of 19 of Respondent's employees out of the 21 unit employees at the Chicago plant but Respondent claims that the document was signed by 18 and not 19 employees, presumably because I of the signers was not a unit employee. Based on this "showing of interest petition" as combined with the testimony of employee Norbert Kurlik that he told Plant Manager McGlone about the petition and the number of employee signatures thereon, Respondent contends that it had knowledge that the Union did not have majority status on the critical date of November 27, 1974, and that therefore Respondent was legally justified in refusing to bargain with the Union from and after that date. Respondent further argues that as it is not accused of committing any unfair labor practices on or prior to November 27, 1974, but only subsequent to that date, the loss of union majority, "in the absence of employer unfair labor practices ... employer unfair labor practices do not relate back to re-establish such lost majority." Respondent does not contend that it actually saw the "showing of interest petition" on the critical date of November 27, 1974, when it was filed with the Board. It claims only that it was told about the petition and the number of employee signatures thereon by employee Kurlik. In his testimony Kurlik does not show the precise date on which he gave that information to McGlone. The record thus poses the question of when Kurlik informed Plant Manager McGlone about the contents of the petition and the number of signatures thereon. Machinist Kurlik, heretofore mentioned in connection with other issues, has been the prime employee mover for the decertification of the Union. Now 27 years of age, he freely admits that he has been dissatisfied with and critical of the Union ever since he started working for Respondent as an apprentice after graduation from high school. His testimony shows that he took the initiative and was the leader in the move to decertify the Union by circulating the "showing of interest petition" among the plant employees for their signatures, prior to its filing with the Board. Kurlik testified under direct examination in behalf of the Company that he told Plant Manager McGlone how many employee signatures were on the showing of interest petition "after it was filed." No attempt was made in behalf of Respondent to clarify Kurlik's expression "after it was filed." From that expression and other evidence, I infer and find that Kurlik told McGlone about the number of employee signatures on the petition on some date subse- quent to the critical date of November 27, 1974, when the petition was filed with the Board and at least subsequent to December 9, 1974, when Respondent committed its first alleged and proven unfair labor practice. Other evidence in support of the inference that Respon- dent did not learn about the number of employee signatures on the "showing of interest petition" on the date (November 27) it was filed, is a letter dated January 21, 1975 (G. C. Exh. 25), from Respondent's former labor counsel, James R. Cox, to the Board. In his letter dated approximately 2 months after the critical date of Novem- ber 27, 1974, Cox stated, "It may be safely assumed that preceding the actual filing of the Petition, the employees discussed decertification and circulated the necessary documents." Cox nowhere in his letter indicated that Respondent even then had actual knowledge of the contents of the "showing of interest petition." I find that Cox's necessity, after an investigation into the facts, to engage in assumptions about the circulation of the petition some 2 months after it was filed is additional evidence that Respondent had no knowledge from Kurlik or any other employee as to the number of employee signatures on the petition on the critical date of November 27, 1974, when the petition was filed and for long time thereafter. Additionally, the inference drawn above that Respon- dent did not on the critical day have knowledge that a large majority of its unit employees had signed the showing of interest petition until long "after it was filed" is directly shown by Respondent's own original answer of May 29, 1975, to the chief complaint herein, because the answer as to that late date, a full 6 months after Respondent's refusal to bargain, totally fails to assert or even mention the "showing of interest petition" and the number of employee signatures thereon as a defense for Respondent's refusal to bargain with the Union. As noted above, Respondent's sole defense under its original answer was that it had won an election held pursuant to a decertification petition and that it had not engaged in any unfair labor practices in order to undermine the representative status of the Union, as alleged in the complaint. It is thus clear that Respondent did not become aware of the number of employee signatures on the "showing of interest petition" until many months after its November 27, 1974, refusal to bargain with the Union and thus did not and could not have relied on that knowledge as a basis for its refusal to bargain. In summary I find that the Union's legal presumption of majority status on the critical date of November 27, 1974, has not been rebutted by employee Kurlik's testimony that he divulged the number of employee signatures on the "showing of interest petition" to Plant Manager McGlone because Kurlik's own testimony shows that he did not give McGlone that information until "after" the decertification petition had been filed and other evidence shows that the knowledge of the number of signatures on the showing of interest petition did not become known to Respondent until long after the critical date of November 27, 1974, when that petition was filed. Respondent in its brief urges the following additional reasons for its claimed rebuttal of the Union's presumed majority status as of the critical date of November 27, 1974, to wit: 930 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES (a) a number of employees, prior to December of 1974, had advised Lammert they no longer wished to be represented by the Union, and (b) that a number of employees had filed unfair labor practice charges against the Union. In support of the claim that, "a number of employees, prior to December 1974, had advised Lammert they no longer wished to be represented by the Union," Respon- dent relies on the testimony of Plant Manager McGlone whose testimony in other connections has been found to be uniformly unreliable and untrustworthy. McGlone testified that three aforementioned employees, Norbert Kurlik, Charles Wavra, and Edward Saunders, approached him about the Union in early September 1974, "way before" the decertification petition was filed because, "They didn't feel that they were being served by the Union." McGlone testified that the first employee to so express dissatisfaction to him about the Union was Kurlik, but that a little later Wavra told him the same thing and that Saunders "was another one that wanted out." This testimony by McGlone was given at the second hearing herein in February 1976; McGlone was never asked or explained why he failed to give the same testimony when he testified at the main hearing herein in August 1975. Similarly, Kurlik and Wavra, witnesses friendly to Respondent, likewise testified in August 1975 but gave no testimony then that they had expressed dissatisfaction with the Union to McGlone and they were not called to corroborate McGlone's testimony as above related in the February 1976 hearing. For these reasons, but primarily because of demeanor evidence, I do not credit McGlone's testimony that the three indicated employees expressed interest to him about getting the Union out, except possibly in the case of Kurlik. But even if McGlone's testimony were credited, it does not constitute a defense to Respondent's refusal to bargain for the obvious reason that these isolated conversations McGlone had with the three indicated employees cannot serve as a basis for the formation of a good-faith doubt of the Union's continued majority support because at most they involved only three of the employees out of a unit of 21 employees. One of the remaining affirmative defenses Respondent relies on for its alleged rebuttal of the Union's presumed majority status as of the critical date of November 27, 1974, is that, "In the Fall of 1974, the Union wrote letters to Lammert, demanding that Lammert discharge eight (8) of the aforesaid twenty-one (21) employees because said eight (8) employees had failed and refused to pay dues to the said Union." (G. C. Exh. 21 (h).) Although it is an admitted fact that the Union sent these described letters to Lammert, I find that these letters have no bearing on the Union's presumption of majority support because it is well established that a showing of lack of financial support of an incumbent union is not the equivalent to a showing that the employees no longer desire representation by the Union. Bartenders, supra. The evidence shows that the eight defaulting employees had merely fallen behind in their payment of union dues, not that these employees did not want the Union to continue to represent them. On the contrary, the evidence shows that no less than four of the eight employees who were in default on their union dues were staunch supporters of the Union, to wit, the aforementioned employees, Willie Carpenter, Wallace Davis, Walter Ham, and Pedro Ramos. I find and conclude that the mere demands of the Union for the discharge of eight employees for nonpayment of dues had no affect in destroying the legal presumption of the Union's continuing majority support. I also find without merit Respondent's companion affirmative defense 43 for its refusal to bargain with the Union on the ground that, "In the Fall of 1974, a number of the aforesaid twenty-one employees filed a charge against said Union with the Regional Director...." Contrary to Respondent's representation that a "number" of Respondent's employees filed a charge against the Union, the charge itself (G. C. Exh. 12 (a)) shows that only one employee, Benito Gonzalez, filed the charge. The charge was that the Union requested the discharge of six named employees, including Benito Gonzalez, Willie Carpenter, and Wally Davis, "because of their support for an employee [decertification] petition]," whereas in fact the Union had requested their discharge for nonpayment of union dues. As heretofore noted, the Regional Director refused to issue a complaint under the charge on the ground that "the evidence does not show the Union unlawfully requested the Employer to terminate any employees." The prior findings also show that Plant Manager McGlone unlawfully but unsuccessfully sought to induce and encourage Willie Carpenter and Wally Davis to file such charges against the Union. In addition the record shows that the charge was filed on December 4, 1974, some 7 days after Respondent's refusal to bargain with the Union. Under these circumstances I find that the filing of the charge here under consideration was totally lacking as an objective consideration to foster a good-faith doubt of the Union's majority status. Finally, even if it is assumed under the conditions most favorable to Respondent that on November 27, 1974, when it refused to bargain with the Union that the Company had full knowledge of the "showing of interest petition" and the names of the 18 employees who had placed their signatures thereon, that document contained no information per se to rebut the presumption the Union had under established law that it enjoyed majority status because the petition was merely and literally only a "request" for a decertification election. As properly stated by counsel for General Counsel, the petition does not constitute evidence that the employees who had signed the petition did not support the Union. It takes more positive evidence to prove lack of union support by a majority of Respondent's unit employ- ees. Any inference from the mere fact of the signatures of the 18 employees on the request for a decertification election that all of these 18 employees wanted to get rid of the Union would have been shattered in the eyes of Respon- dent by the fact that among such signatures were the signatures of at least five obvious union adherents such as 43 Respondent's affirmative defenses in its answer in G.C. Exh. 21 (h). 931 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Willie Carpenter, Rodney Mason, Wallace Davis, Walter Ham, and Pedro Ramos. On the contrary, I infer and find that these five union supporters, and perhaps others, signed the "showing of interest petition" in the expectation that a secret election would quell the two or three chronic complainers such as Kurlik who began complaining about the Union from the time he was first employed by the Company as an apprentice upon graduation from high school. Finally, it is well established that the mere filing of a decertification petition does not destroy the presumption that a recognized union enjoys of continued majority status. The Rogers Manufacturing Company, 197 NLRB 1264 (1972), enfd. 486 F.2d 644 (C.A. 6, 1973); Muncy Corporation, 211 NLRB 263 (1974); Cavalier Division of Seeburg Corporation and Cavalier Corporation, 192 NLRB 290, 291 (1971). Thus, the mere filing of the decertification herein did not destroy that presumption. As the "showing of interest petition" herein was filed as a part of or an appendix to the formal decertification petition, I find as a matter of law that its filing likewise does not destroy the Union's presumption of majority status. Conclusions and Discussion In sum, based on the above findings and governing rules of law, I find and conclude that Respondent offered no evidence showing the Union in fact did not enjoy majority status and demonstrated no objective considerations warranting a reasonably based doubt as to the Union's continuing majority status on the critical date of November 27, 1974, when it refused to bargain with the Union and, therefore, its refusal to bargain violated Section 8(a)(5) of the Act. I further find and conclude that Respondent cannot rely on its winning of the decertification election on March 7. 1975 (even if it had won the election by more than the one vote victory it had), as a defense to its withdrawal of recognition from the Union because prior to the election Respondent had committed numerous and flagrant unfair labor practices as has been found and set forth above in numerous pages of this Decision. These unfair labor practices included Respondent's discriminatory termina- tion of two union adherents; its threat of reprisals for union activity; promises of benefits designed to induce an employee to resign his position with the Union and abandon his support of the Union; inducements to support antiunion charges; bribing a voter employee, unlawful interrogations; and other unlawful interference which have virtually affected every person in the unit. I find that traditional remedies in the present case would be ineffec- tive to remove the coercion and interference summarized above from the minds of Respondent's employees. N.L.R.B. v. Gissel Packing Co., Inc., 395 U.S. 575 (1969). As it has been established that the Union enjoyed a presumption of continued majority status from and after November 27, 1974, when Respondent refused to bargain with the Union and as I find that Respondent's numerous unfair labor practices have made the holdings of a free and fair election impossible, an order requiring the Respondent to bargain is normally in order under well established law. Decorel Corporation, et al, 163 NLRB 146 (1967); Auto- mated Business Systems, A Division of Litton Business Systems, Inc., A Subsidiary of Litton Industries, Inc., 205 NLRB 532 (1973), remanded 497 F.2d 262 (C.A. 6, 1974); Westminster Community Hospital, Inc., 221 NLRB 185 (1975). But Respondent has a further defense against the entry of bargaining order herein which will be given consider- ation in the next section of this Decision. Briefly, Respondent's final defense against a bargaining order is that the old bargaining unit at its principal plant in Chicago was dissolved and supplanted by an alleged new unrepresented unit when the Company on or about September 15, 1975, closed both its Chicago plant and its auxiliary plant on Westwood Avenue in Addison, Illinois, and transferred their operations and employees to a new plant on Fullerton Street in Addison, Illinois. Respondent contends that any duty it may have had to bargain with the Union ended with the alleged dissolution of the old represented bargaining unit and its alleged displacement by a new unrepresented unit. F. Findings of Fact Related to Issue of Respondent's Obligation To Bargain at its New Facility Based on the following largely stipulated and undisputed facts, Respondent contends that the old bargaining unit that had existed at its Chicago plant is now dissolved and superseded by a new unit which because it is new, Respondent argues it is under no obligation to bargain with. As heretofore shown, on March 7, 1975, the date of the decertification election, and for years prior thereto, Respondent owned two plants in the State of Illinois for the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. One of these plants, the largest, was located on Wood Street in Chicago, and the other smaller plant was located on Westwood Avenue in Addison, a suburb some 20 miles distant from Chicago. The finding made earlier in this Decision that the Westwood Avenue plant was an auxiliary plant to the larger Chicago plant is reiterated here. Previous findings show that one of the employees at the Chicago plant, the aforementioned Charles Wavra, was required to shuttle on a daily basis between the Chicago plant and the Addison Westwood Avenue plant in connection with his work as a specialist in both plants. Both the Chicago plant and the Addison Westwood Avenue plants were operated under the management of the aforementioned Plant Manager McGlone. In carrying out his duties, McGlone also shuttled frequently between the two plants. By stipulation it is established that in September 1975, some 6 months after the decertification election, Respon- dent permanently closed its factory in Chicago and also its factory at Westwood Avenue in Addison, Illinois, and transferred 19 of the 20 employees in the Chicago plant and all of the employees in the Westwood Avenue plant in Addison, to a newly constructed factory on Fullerton Street in Addison, Illinois. It is also established by stipulation that the majority of the employees formerly employed at the Chicago plant and a substantial number of employees formerly employed at 932 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES the Westwood Avenue plant in Addison, were, while employed at these respective facilities, engaged in produc- tion and maintenance work in and about the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors, and that after their transfer to the new Fullerton Street factory in Addison, they continued to be employed by Respondent as produc- tion and maintenance employees in and about the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors. The parties have also stipulated that after the transfer of the Chicago plant's production and maintenance employ- ees to the new Fullerton Street factory in Addison, they used substantially the same equipment, machinery, and methods and continued to produce the same type of vacuum pumps and compressors as they had done in Chicago plant. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I infer and find that after the transfer of the Company's production and maintenance employees at its Westwood Avenue plant in Addison to the new Fullerton Street plant on Fullerton Street in Addison, they likewise used substantially the same equipment, machinery, and methods and continued to produce the same type of vacuum pumps and compressors as had been done at the Westwood Avenue facility in Addison. It is also stipulated that Earl McGlone who had been plant manager of both the Chicago plant and Westwood Avenue plant in Addison, continued to function in the same capacity at the new Fullerton Street factory in Addison. I reiterate here an earlier finding that McGlone had informed the employees at the old Chicago plant and the old auxiliary Addison plant at the beginning of the construction of the new plant in Addison or even earlier that they would be transferred to the new plant upon its completion. I further find that McGlone gave this informa- tion to the employees at the two old plants at least 9 months before their actual transfers to the new plant took place on or about September 15, 1975. As previously found the production and maintenance employees at Respondent's former Chicago plant have worked under labor contracts for 30 years from 1945 to February 1, 1975, when the Union's last contract expired and was never renewed because of Respondent's refusal to bargain, whereas Respondent's Westwood Avenue plant in Addison, although acquired by Respondent in 1969, has never been under union contract. As of the time of the decertification election on March 7, 1975, it is undisputed that the bargaining unit of Respon- dent's Chicago plant consisted of 21 employees, including the aforementioned Pedro Ramos and Rodney Mason. It is admitted that Mason quit his employment with the Company in April 1975, and that Ramos did not continue his employment with Respondent after it closed its Chicago plant on or about September 15, 1975. As Mason was not replaced, there were 20 employees in Chicago unit at the time the Chicago plant was closed on or about September 15. With,Ramos refusing to accept a transfer to the new 11 Although it has been stipulated that in September 1975 Respondent "transferred 19 of 20 employees from the Wood Street factory [the Chicago factory] to the new factory on Fullerton Street. Addison, Illinois," Respondent in its brief states that only "sixteen of the W.ood Street employees continued to work at Fullerton Avenue in production and maintenance." The record does not support Respondent's statement that plant, this accounts for the aforesaid stipulation that the Company "transferred 19 of the employees from the Wood Street factory [in Chicago] to the new factory on Fullerton Street, Addison, Illinois." As the stipulation does not describe these 19 employees as unit employees, I infer and find from the stipulation and record as a whole that they were bargaining unit employees. 44 As aforenoted all of the employees in Respondent's old Westwood Avenue plant in Addison were transferred as of on or about September 15, 1975, to Respondent's new plant on Fullerton Street in Addison. It is stipulated that included in this total group of employees who were transferred to the new plant there were seven production employees and an undisclosed number of nonunit persons. Thus, in sum, as of about September 15, 1975, when Respondent's brand new facility in Addison went into operation, its unit of production and maintenance employ- ees consisted of 19 transferees from Respondent's old Chicago plant and 7 from Respondent's old Westwood Avenue plant in Addison, or a total unit of 26 production and maintenance employees. It is further established by stipulation that these seven employees from Westwood had the same job classifications as the unit employees from the Chicago plant. They performed the same unit work under the same conditions of employment as performed by the employees from the Chicago plant unit. As of the start of operations of Respondent's new Fullerton Street facility on or about September 15, 1976, there is no evidence that the number of employees in the unit of the production and maintenance employees at the new facility exceeded the 26 such employees who were transferred from Respondent's former plant in Chicago and its former plant on Westwood Avenue in Addison. As aforenoted 19 of these employees came from the old bargaining unit in the abandoned Chicago plant and the remaining 7 employees came from the unrepresented unit in the abandoned Westwood Avenue plant. As of January 28, 1976, Respondent had increased its unit of 26 production and maintenance employees at its new Fullerton Street facility to a staff of 33 employees by new hirings from time to time after the operation of the new plant had started on or about September 15, 1975. Between the opening of Respondent's plant on or about September 15, 1975, and January 28, 1976, 3 of the original 19 unit employees who had been transferred from the closed Chicago plant to the new plant ceased their employment at the new plant and were replaced by new unit employees. I find the fact that some of the 19 original Chicago unit employees here involved ceased their employment at Respondent's new Addison facility after their transfers thereto is immaterial on the question of whether the original organized unit at the Chicago plant became dissolved on or about September 15, 1975, when the members of that unit were transferred to the new plant. only 16 of the Wood Street employees continued to work at Fullerton in production and maintenance; the record shows as found above that 19 of the 20 employees in production and maintenance at the old Chicago plant on Wood Street transferred to the new plant in Addison on or about September 15, 1975, when it opened for operation. 933 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Discussion and Conclusions As heretofore noted, there were 20 production and maintenance employees in the old Chicago plant's bargain- ing unit when the Chicago plant was closed on or about September 15, 1975. Simultaneously with the closing of the Chicago plant, the operations thereof and 19 of the 20 maintenance and production employees employed therein, were transferred to Respondent's new Fullerton Street plant in Addison, a suburb of Chicago. The 19 represented employees from the Chicago plant, upon their transfer to the new plant, on or about September 15, 1975, were simultaneously augmented by the 7 unrepresented produc- tion transferees to the new plant from the old auxiliary plant in Addison. Because of this merger of the virtually undiminished bargaining unit from the Chicago plant with the unrepre- sented bargaining unit from the old Addison plant, Respondent in effect claims (1) that a new unit was created at the new plant, (2) that "General Counsel must prove that the Union represents a majority of the employees" at the new plant, and (3) that in absence of such a showing, Respondent is under no obligation to bargain with the Union. Under normal conditions this question of representation would be resolved by an election, but in the present case because of Respondent's numerous and serious unfair labor practices at the old Chicago plant prior to the representation election held therein on March 7, 1975, the option of a postelection is no longer available to Respon- dent or the Union because the lingering effects of the prior unfair labor practices cannot be dissipated by traditional Board remedies. Thus, the question for decision here is whether the old Chicago bargaining unit of 19 employees was in fact dissolved by its merger with the 7 unrepresented unit members of the old Addison plant or continued its existence at the new plant as the dominant group. Under all the facts and circumstances of this case, I find and conclude that the former Chicago 19-member bargain- ing unit retained its majority status after its transfer to the new Addison plant notwithstanding the fact that the 7 production and maintenance workers from the old Addi- son plant were added to its ranks on the day of the opening of the new plant. In other words, I find that the smaller old Addison plant unit was absorbed into and became a part of the former established larger unit from the Chicago plant upon the opening of the new plant. I therefore find and conclude that the heretofore found obligation of Respon- dent to bargain with the Union became a continuing obligation at its new plant in Addison. These conclusions are based on a number of factors in the present case which the Board has held are determining criteria on the question of whether a bargaining obligation remains where a unit is relocated and certain employees are added to the relocated unit. In such situations, the two foremost criteria are, (I) whether the operation at the relocated plant is a new operation or merely a continuation of the old operation and (2) whether there has been a major 14 Although there is no contract bar in the instant case, the quoted principle is applicable. change of personnel. Purolator Products, Inc. (Van Nuys Plant), 160 NLRB 80 (1966); The Kroger Company, 155 NLRB 546 (1965); General Extrusion Company, Inc., General Bronze Alwintite Products Corp., 121 NLRB 1165 (1958). As stated in General Extrusion Conmpany, supra, "a mere relocation of operations accompanied a transfer of a considerable proportion of the employees to another plant, without an accompanying change in the character of the jobs and the functions of the employees in the contract unit, does not remove a contract bar."4 5 In the present case we have a mere relocation of operations and a transfer not "of a considerable proportion of the employees to another plant" but a transfer of all but one of the unit employees from the Chicago plant to the new Addison plant. The fact that there was no change in operations at Respondent's new plant is borne out by the Company's stipulation that the employees from the former Chicago plant continued to use substantially the same equipment, machinery, and methods and produced the same products at Respondent's new plant as formerly done at the Chicago plant. Respondent further stipulated that the operations at the new plant likewise remained under the same supervision; namely, that of Plant Manager McGlone and the former foremen at the Chicago plant. Additionally on questions of whether there is a continu- ing employer obligation to bargain with a relocated represented unit when it is augmented by another unrepre- sented unit from another location, the Board gives consideration to the size of the two groups of employees and which of the two groups is predominant. Thus, the Board holds that, "An accretion is found where a relatively small related operation is included or added to the coverage of a collective-bargaining unit involving a larger group of employees." Hudson Berlind Corporation, 203 NLRB 421(1973). See also Boston Gas Company, 221 NLRB 628, fn. 5 (1976). As shown above the old Addison factory was engaged in the manufacture of the same products as made in the old Chicago plant and the machinery used in both of these now closed plants were substantially the same. As also shown above, one of the regular employees at the Chicago plant made daily shuttles between the Chicago plant and the old Addison plant in connection with his duties at both plants. The earlier findings also show that both the old Chicago factory and the old Addison factory were under the supervision of the same plant manager, the heretofore often mentioned, Earl McGlone, who likewise shuttled frequently between the two plants in the performance of his duties. I reiterate here my earlier finding that the old Addison factory was an auxiliary facility to the old Chicago factory. Under these interconnected facts together with the fact that the former Chicago plant unit was numberwise the dominant group, I find and conclude that, upon the opening of the newly constructed plant in Addison and the transfer thereto of the two groups, the unrepresented group from the old Addison factory was accreted into the larger represented group from the old Chicago plant. Under the previous section of this Decision I dealt with the question of Respondent's obligation to bargain with the 934 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Union with respect to its Chicago Wood Street plant while the Company was still operating at that facility. In that connection I found that Respondent was under a continu- ing obligation to bargain with the Wood Street unit from and after the critical date of November 27, 1974, when the Company refused to bargain and that Respondent's refusal to bargain with the Union constituted a violation of Section 8(a)(5). Under the present section I find and conclude in summary that after the Chicago unit was relocated at Respondent's new Addison plant, the Company had a continuing obligation to bargain with the Union for the numerous reasons stated above. Summarized these reasons are: (1) the Chicago bargaining unit was relocated virtually intact with 19 out of the 20 employees therein accepting transfer to the new Addison plant; (2) there were no changes of operation in the new plant as its operations are the same as formerly at the old Chicago plant, namely, the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors; (3) the same machinery was used at the new plant as had been formerly used at the Chicago plant; (4) the seven unrepresented employees at Respondent's old Addison plant, both before and after their relocation at the new Addison factory, were also engaged in the manufacture of vacuum pumps and compressors; (5) the machinery formerly used at the old Addison factory is now used at the new Addison plant; (6) the plant manager of the new Addison plant is the same Earl McGlone who had been plant manager of both the old Chicago Wood Street plant and the old Addison plant; (7) of the two employee groups relocated at the new Addison factory, the dominant group is the former Chicago plant bargaining unit as it outnum- bers the unrepresented unit from the old Addison factory by a ratio of about 3 to 1; (8) the seven-man unrepresented unit from the old Addison plant, heretofore found to be an auxiliary plant to the Chicago plant, has been totally absorbed and accreted into the former Chicago plant's represented unit and has thus lost whatever separate identity it may have had at the old Addison plant; and (9) finally, the new plant is not located at a completely new location but is located at the same town (Addison) where one of its two former plants were located. Because of the described perpetuation of the former Chicago bargaining unit into Respondent's new Addison factory and its dominant position therein, it follows and I find that Respondent is not entitled to a new election to determine majority status because Respondent by its own numerous and serious unfair labor practices prior to the decertification election of March 7, 1975, has rendered impossible a free and uncoerced electoral choice by the employees in the involved unit. I accordingly find and conclude that Respondent should be required to bargain with the former Chicago bargaining unit at its relocation at the new plant in Addison. Respondent relies on Purolator Products, Inc., supra, which it describes as "a case nearly precisely in point" in support of its contention that it not be held in violation of Section 8(a)(5) of the Act for its refusal and failure to bargain with the Union at its new location in Addison. I find that the facts in the Purolator case are so completely at odds with the facts in the present case as enumerated under the nine points shown above as to be completely inappo- site. Whereas the facts in Purolator required a dismissal of the 8(aX5) charges against that Company, I find that the totally different facts in the present case under Board established criteria requires a bargaining order. G. Findings re Respondent's Alleged Fulfillment of Promises of Economic Benefits Made Earlier at the Former Chicago Plant In an earlier section of this Decision I found that Plant Manager McGlone in late December 1974 at the Wood Street plant in Chicago promised Carl Brown, the afore- mentioned employee and union shop steward, "economic benefits when Respondent moves its facility to Addison, Illinois, if there was no union," as alleged in paragraph VIII (f) of the complaint, as amended. These economic benefits were listed in a brochure which McGlone showed to Brown. The brochure purported to set forth the standard economic benefits that Respondent's parent company, Componetrol, Inc., awarded to all of its nonunion subsidi- aries. In another earlier related section of this Decision I also found that Plant Manager McGlone at an employee meeting held at a private home on January 13, 1975, "promised the assembled employees or told the employees that he would try to get for them the superior Componetrol employee benefits if the Union went out, substantially as alleged in paragraph VIII (d) of the complaint, as amended." These promises were established by competent and credited testimony under the allegations of the first complaint herein, issued on May 22, 1975, in Case 13-CA- 14147. The second complaint herein in Case 13-CA-14811, issued on November 18, 1975, alleges under paragraph VIII thereof that Respondent on October 1, 1975, at its new factory location in Addison, Illinois, in fulfillment of earlier unlawful promises of benefits, "granted to its employees the Componetrol/Imperial-Eastman Insurance Plan, the Componetrol/lmperial-Eastman Pension Plan, sick pay and personal leave benefits and other benefits or improvements in their terms and conditions of employ- ment." The second complaint also alleges under paragraph IX that the aforesaid grants of employee benefits were made without prior notice to or bargaining with the Union and that the Company thereby unilaterally changed existing wage rates, benefits, and conditions of employment. In other words the second complaint alleges that, on or about October I, 1975, within 2 weeks after the transfer of the Chicago unit employees to the new Addison factory, Respondent unilaterally put into effect the Componetrol employee economic benefits it had unlawfully promised them some 10 months earlier at the Chicago plant to take effect when they were transferred to the new Addison plant, if the Union had been voted out at the election of March 7, 1975. As aforenoted the Company won the election by one vote. Respondent admits that on October 15, 1975, it unilater- ally installed a series of economic benefits not only for the unit transferees from the Chicago plant but for all of its 935 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD employees at the new Addison factory under what it terms the Componetrol/Imperial-Eastman Insurance Plan and the Componetrol/lmperial-Eastman Pension Plan, the details of which are set forth in a pamphlet with a covering letter which was distributed to all Lammert employees. (G. C. Exh. 23.) As aforenoted Respondent Lammert is a division of a group of four such divisions owned by Componetrol, Inc., which in turn is owned by the ultimate parent company, Imperial-Eastman Corporation, which through its various subsidiaries owns 18 manufacturing facilities throughout the United States. Prior to the October 15, 1975, installation date of the Componetrol/Imperial-Eastman Insurance and Pension Plans for all of its employees at the new Addison plant, Respondent Lammert continued to pay to its former Chicago unit employees the wages and fringe benefits called for in its expired collective-bargaining agreement with one exception. The one exception is their pension benefits because from and after February 1, 1975, the I.A.M. National Pension Fund, which is a wholly separate entity from the Union, terminated "participation and coverage for Covered Employees at Lammert Industries" due to the fact that the Union had been decertified in the election of March 7, 1975, and that the "last contribution received from the employer [Lammert] was for the month of January 1975." With the installation of the Componetrol/Imperial-East- man Insurance and Pension Plans, Respondent simulta- neously terminated the benefits paid to the former Chicago unit employees under the expired collective-bargaining agreement. The benefits enumerated under the two Componetrol plans includes sick pay and personal leave benefits, lunch and rest periods, premium pay, group medical and life insurance, paid vacations, paid holidays, educational assistance, paid absences, leave of absences, and wage, salary and promotion programs, and a pension plan "paid for entirely by the Company" for all regular full-time employees, except those hired after their 55th birthday. A comparison of the benefits under the Componetrol plans and the expired labor contract shows that some of the Componetrol benefits were not enjoyed under the contract but that others were similar to those in the contract. The Componetrol pension plan was entirely new to the employee transferees from the Chicago plant unit because as heretofore noted the pension provisions under the labor contract had been terminated many months prior to the time the Componetrol benefits were put in effect at the new Addison plant. I find that on the whole the Componetrol benefits are superior to the collective-bargaining agreement benefits that Respondent had kept paying the unit transferees from the Chicago plant, notwithstanding the expiration of the labor agreement, until the Componetrol benefits were substituted on October 15, 1976. The Respondent adduced testimony with the intent to prove that the Componetrol/Imperial-Eastman Insurance Plan and Componetrol/Imperial-Eastman Pension Plan were installed at the new Addison factory for all the employees therein in order to comply with company policy to achieve uniformity of employee benefits throughout the four divisions of Componetrol, Inc., of which Respondent Lammert is one, as the other three divisions were already covered by the Componetrol Insurance and Pension plans. Discussion and Conclusion I find and conclude that Respondent's unilateral grant- ing as of October 15, 1975, of the superior Componetrol employee benefits to the former Chicago unit employees, now at the new Addison factory, was in fulfillment of Respondent's earlier unlawful promises to such employees when they were still employed at the Chicago plant that they would receive the Componetrol benefits upon their transfer to the new Addison factory, if while they were still at the Chicago plant the Union was voted out at the decertification election of March 7, 1975, as had happened by a vote of one, substantially as alleged in the complaint. Respondent's principal defense to the charged violation here under consideration appears to be that with the September 15, 1975, consolidation of the 19 represented production and maintenance from the Chicago plant and the 7 unrepresented production and maintenance employ- ees from the old Addison plant at the newly constructed Addison factory a new and unrepresented unit had emerged and for this reason it was not then unlawful for the Respondent to unilaterally install the Componetrol benefits at the new Addison plant in conformity with Respondent's alleged and proven previous, unlawful promises, and without notice to or bargaining with the Union. That defense was found untenable in the preceding section of this Decision dealing with the bargaining issue where I found under the findings therein that Respondent has a continuing obligation to bargain with the former Chicago unit through the Union at the new Addison plant. Accordingly, I find that same defense for the same reasons is also without merit in connection with the charges here under consideration. In view of Respondent's continuing obligation to bargain with the Union at the new Addison plant, I find that Respondent's unilateral installment of the superior Componetrol employee benefits at the new Addison plant in fulfillment of its earlier unlawful promises is a further violation of Section 8(a)(1) and (5) of the Act. Respondent's other defense appears to be that the installation of the superior Componetrol benefits at the new Addison factory was in pursuance of a legitimate business purpose to effectuate Respondent's long-estab- lished "policy of making its benefit program as uniform as feasible at all Componetrol plants." I find that this alleged justification for legitimizing the installation of the superior Componetrol benefits at the new Addison factory is a cover for Respondent's final effort to dissipate employee union support by sweetening the benefits the transferees from the old Chicago plant could have without representation at the new Addison plant. I find that the granting of the Componetrol benefits was the culminating effort in Respondent's long history of unfair labor practices, including bribes, designed to break up any remaining union sympathy and support. In further justification of its uniform granting of the Componetrol benefits to all of its employees at the new Addison plant, Respondent states in its brief, "Had 936 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES Respondent on or about October 1, 1975, excluded only those previously represented employees [from the Compo- netrol benefits], Respondent almost certainly would have been charged with a violation of the Act." The cases cited by Respondent in support of that prediction are factually wholly different than in the instant case. None of Respondent's cited cases involved situations which presented the employer with the option, as the Respondent had in the instant case, to merely preserve the status quo of the employee benefits of its relocated transferees at the employer's new place of business. Respondent in its brief admits that it had that option and does not appear to contend that it would have incurred any violation of the Act if it had merely preserved at the new Addison plant the employee benefit status the transferees from the Chicago plant and the transferees from the old Addison plant enjoyed while working at their respective locations, at least until a final decision in the present proceeding had been reached. The fact that Respondent had that option but did not choose to exercise it is still another indication that Respondent granted the superior Componetrol benefits to the transferees from the old Chicago plant in fulfillment of its earlier unlawful promises to do so if the Union was defeated in the decertification election and for the further purpose of alienating any remaining support for the Union, in obvious violation of Section 8(aX 1) and (5) of the Act, as alleged in the second complaint herein. Upon the basis of the foregoing findings of fact and upon the entire record in the case, I make the following: CONCLUSIONS OF LAW 1. Respondent Lammert Industries, a division of Componetrol, Inc., a subsidiary of I-T-E Imperial Corpora- tion, is an employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) of the Act. 2. District No. 8, International Association of Machin- ists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, the Charging Party, is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act. 3. At all times here pertinent all production and maintenance employees of Respondent at its former plant located at 221 North Wood, Chicago, Illinois, excluding all office employees, clerical employees, professional and technical employees, guards and supervisors as defined in the Act, constituted a unit appropriate for the purpose of collective bargaining within the meaning of Section 9(b) of the Act. 4. All production and maintenance employees em- ployed by Respondent at its facility now located at 1040 West Fullerton Avenue, Addison, Illinois, excluding all office employees, clerical employees, professional and technical employees, guards and supervisors as defined in the Act constitute a unit appropriate for the purpose of collective bargaining within the meaning of Section 9(b) of the Act. 5. At all times since November 27, 1974, the Union has been and is now the exclusive bargaining representative of 46 N.L.R B. v. Express Publishing Conpan),: 312 U.S. 426 (1941); N.L.R.B. v. Entwistle Mfg. Co., 120 F.2d 532 (C.A. 4, 1941): Consolidated Industries, Inc.. 108 NLRB 60(1954). and cases cited therein. all employees described in paragraphs 3 and 4, above, for the purpose of collective bargaining with respect to rates of pay, wages, hours and conditions of employment. 6. By interfering with, restraining, and coercing its employees in the exercise of rights guaranteed in Section 7 of the Act, Respondent has engaged in unfair labor practices within the meaning of Section 8(aXl) of the Act. 7. By discharging Pedro Ramos and laying off Rodney Mason, Respondent violated Section 8(aX3) and (1) of the Act. 8. By its conduct as described in paragraphs 6 and 7, above, Respondent interfered with the employees' freedom of choice in the decertification election conducted on March 7, 1975. 9. By refusing since November 27, 1974, to recognize and bargain collectively with the Union as the exclusive representative of the employees in the unit described in paragraphs 3 and 4, above, while engaging in conduct which undermined the Union and prevented holding a fair decertification election, Respondent has engaged in unfair labor practices affecting commerce within the meaning of Section 8(a)(5) and (1) of the Act. 10. By granting employees increased benefits in fulfill- ment of earlier unlawful promises and in order to induce employees to reject the Union as their bargaining represen- tative, Respondent has engaged in unfair labor practices in violation of Section 8(aX I) of the Act. 11. By unilaterally changing terms and conditions of employment on October 15, 1975, without first bargaining with the Union, Respondent has engaged in unfair labor practices affecting commerce within the meaning of Section 8(a)(5) of the Act. 12. The aforesaid unfair labor practices affect com- merce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act. REMEDY Having found that Respondent engaged in certain unfair labor practices, I shall recommend that it cease and desist therefrom and take certain affirmative action of the type which is conventionally ordered in such cases as provided in the recommended Order below, which I find necessary to remedy and to remove the effects of the unfair labor practices and to effectuate the policies of the Act. Because of the character and scope of the unfair labor practices found, I shall recommend a broad cease-and-desist order.4 Due to the numerous and serious violations of Section 8(aXI) and (3) of the Act, including a flagrant attempt to bribe an employee to vote to decertify the Union at an election, I find that the only appropriate remedy for the cure of Respondent's refusal to bargain with the Union is an order requiring the Respondent to bargain with the Union. The Supreme Court in N. LR.B. v. Gissel Packing Co., Inc., 395 U.S. 575, 594 (1969), stated that "the key to the issuance of a bargaining order is the commission of serious unfair labor practices that interfere with the election processes and tend to preclude the holding of a fair election." 937 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Due also to the fact that almost all of Respondent's unfair labor practices were designed to undermine the representative status of the Union and to dissipate and destroy its majority standing, and thereby render impossi- ble a free and uncoerced electoral choice by the employees in the involved unit, I will recommend setting aside the election held in Case 13-RD-996 and the dismissal of that proceeding in view of the bargaining order recommended herein. Upon the foregoing findings of fact and the entire record in this proceeding, I make the following recommended: ORDER 47 The Respondent, Lammert Industries, a division of Componetrol, Inc., a subsidiary of the I-T-E Imperial Corporation, Addison, Illinois, its officers, agents, succes- sors, and assigns, shall: 1. Cease and desist from: (a) Promising money and/or reimbursement of union dues and fees in order to induce employees to support antiunion charges and abandon support for the Union. (b) Promising its employees economic benefits if the employees rejected union representation. (c) Threatening to get rid of the Union. (d) Ordering an employee to stop his union activity. (e) Attempting to induce an employee to resign his position with the Union. (f) Indicating to employees that the Union stood as a barricade to future benefits. (g) Threatening to discharge employees who vote for the Union in the election. (h) Interrogating employees concerning their union sentiments and feelings. (i) Giving money to employees in order to induce and/or reward the employee's known or suspected antiunion activities. (j) Promising greater accessibility to high company officials in order to induce employees to reject union representation. (k) Instructing employees to remove union buttons and other union material. (I) Discouraging membership in District No. 8, Interna- tional Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, or any other labor organization, by discharging employees or laying off employees, or in any other manner discriminating against them in regard to their hire or tenure of employment. (m) Discharging or laying off or otherwise disciplining employees for engaging in concerted activities for mutual aid or protection with respect to wages, hours, or other terms and conditions of employment. (n) Refusing to recognize or bargain collectively with District No. 8, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO, as the exclusive bargaining representative of all production and maintenance employ- 47 In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the findings, conclusions, and recommended Order herein shall, as provided in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules and Regulations, be adopted by the Board and become its findings, conclusions, and Order, and all objections thereto shall be deemed waived for all purposes. ees employed at its plant now located at 1040 West Fullerton Street, Addison, Illinois, excluding all office employees, clerical employees, professional and technical employees, guards and supervisors as defined in the Act. (o) Granting increased benefits in fulfillment of earlier unlawful promises and also in order to induce employees to reject the Union as their bargaining representative. (p) Unilaterally changing existing terms and conditions of employment without first bargaining about such changes with the Union. (q) In any other manner interfering with, restraining, or coercing its employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed them under Section 7 of the Act. 2. Take the following affirmative action which is necessary to effectuate the policies of the Act: (a) Upon request, recognize and bargain in good faith with the above-named Union as the exclusive bargaining representative in the above-described unit respecting rates of pay, wages, hours, or other terms and conditions of employment, and, if an understanding is reached, embody such understanding in a signed agreement. (b) Make Pedro Ramos and Rodney Mason each whole for any loss of pay he may have suffered by payment to each of a sum of money equal to that he would normally have earned from, in the case of Pedro Ramos, January 17, 1975, the date of his discharge, to February 25, 1975, the date of his reemployment, and in the case of Rodney Mason, from January 31, 1975, the date of his layoff, to February 25, 1975, the date of his reinstatement, less the net earnings of each during said periods Crossett Lumber Company, 8 NLRB 440 (1938), said backpay to be computed on a quarterly basis in the manner established by the Board in F. W. Woolworth Company, 90 NLRB 289 (1950), together with interest thereon at the rate of 6 percent per annum Isis Plumbing & Heating Co., 138 NLRB 716 (1962). (c) Preserve and, upon request, make available to the Board or its agents, for examination and copying, all payroll records, social security payment records, timecards, personnel records, and reports, and all other records necessary to determine the amount of backpay due under this Order. (d) Post at its new plant in Addison, Illinois, copies of the attached notice marked "Appendix." 48 Copies of this notice on forms provided by the Regional Director for Region 13, after being duly signed by Respondent's representative, shall be posted by it immediately upon receipt thereof, and be maintained by it for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous places, including all places where notices to employees are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken by Respondent to ensure that such notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any other material. (e) Notify the Regional Director for Region 13, in writing, within 20 days from the date of this Order, what steps Respondent has taken to comply herewith. 4n In the event that the Board's Order is enforced by a Judgment of a United States Court of Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by Order of the National Labor Relations Board" shall read "Posted Pursuant to a Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an Order of the National Labor Relations Board." 938 LAMMERT INDUSTRIES IT IS ALSO ORDERED that as to all allegations of the complaint not specifically found to have been in violation of the Act, those allegations shall be dismissed. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the election in Case 13-RC- 996 be set aside and that said proceeding be dismissed. 939 Copy with citationCopy as parenthetical citation