The Modern Lawyer Podcast

The Modern Lawyer Podcast

Join Anand Upadhye as he chats with giants in the American legal industry about the changes we are seeing in the practice of law, legal technology, and knowledge management.

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May 27, 2020
Season 3: Episode 7
Do We Still Need Offices?

In this episode recorded over 60 days into the pandemic shelter-in-place, we speak with Zach Abramowitz, who approaches the legal industry from his perspective as a journalist, lawyer, investor, entrepreneur, and all-around connector in the field. Zach and Anand talk about the concerns, ideas, and predictions they are hearing from all sides of legal; including whether law firms can still justify spending millions on expensive skyscraper real estate while more of attorneys are working from home, how technology adoption looks in periods of uncertainty, and overlaps between defense tech and legaltech.

In this episode recorded over 60 days into the pandemic shelter-in-place, we speak with Zach Abramowitz, who approaches the legal industry from his perspective as a journalist, lawyer, investor, entrepreneur, and all-around connector in the field. Zach and Anand talk about the concerns, ideas, and predictions they are hearing from all sides of legal; including whether law firms can still justify spending millions on expensive skyscraper real estate while more of attorneys are working from home, how technology adoption looks in periods of uncertainty, and overlaps between defense tech and legaltech.

May 7, 2020
Season 3: Episode 6
Law School By Laptop

Today our conversation is with Erwin Chemerinsky, a preeminent constitutional law scholar, Supreme Court litigator, and Dean of Berkeley Law. We talk to Erwin about several topics, from Berkeley Law’s response to the pandemic, to how he picks which cases he takes on pro bono, many of which he argues at the Supreme Court or Circuit Court level. We also discuss legal fallout from the pandemic, from changed workplaces to a back and forth between the federal government and state governments with respect to shutting down businesses in the interests of public health.

Today our conversation is with Erwin Chemerinsky, a preeminent constitutional law scholar, Supreme Court litigator, and Dean of Berkeley Law. We talk to Erwin about several topics, from Berkeley Law’s response to the pandemic, to how he picks which cases he takes on pro bono, many of which he argues at the Supreme Court or Circuit Court level. We also discuss legal fallout from the pandemic, from changed workplaces to a back and forth between the federal government and state governments with respect to shutting down businesses in the interests of public health.

April 23, 2020
Season 3: Episode 5
Legaltech Supremacy

Today’s conversation is with Robert (Bob) Owen, a tech-savvy veteran litigator and partner at top law firm Eversheds Sutherland. In this episode, Bob talks about the ambitious mandate his firm’s global co-chair of litigation provided him, namely to achieve “Legaltech supremacy” at Eversheds in two years. Bob shares details on how he’s meeting this goal, what pain points he’s solving at the firm, and how he views this as a golden age in legal tech.

Today’s conversation is with Robert (Bob) Owen, a tech-savvy veteran litigator and partner at top law firm Eversheds Sutherland. In this episode, Bob talks about the ambitious mandate his firm’s global co-chair of litigation provided him, namely to achieve “Legaltech supremacy” at Eversheds in two years. Bob shares details on how he’s meeting this goal, what pain points he’s solving at the firm, and how he views this as a golden age in legal tech.

April 9, 2020
Season 3: Episode 4
The A.I. Frontier

Today we share a conversation with Amy Wegener, the Chief Practice Innovation Officer at AmLaw 25 law firm Paul Hastings and Joe Dunn, a former California State Senator, former CEO of the California State Bar, and a highly successful trial lawyer. Recently, Anand had the honor of presenting at a class they teach jointly at UC Irvine School of Law entitled ‘Pushing the AI Frontier’. In this episode, Amy and Joe talk about how the AI class came about and what practical knowledge they impart to their students, cutting edge projects that both of them are working on, and what they view as the future of the legal industry.

Today we share a conversation with Amy Wegener, the Chief Practice Innovation Officer at AmLaw 25 law firm Paul Hastings and Joe Dunn, a former California State Senator, former CEO of the California State Bar, and a highly successful trial lawyer. Recently, Anand had the honor of presenting at a class they teach jointly at UC Irvine School of Law entitled ‘Pushing the AI Frontier’. In this episode, Amy and Joe talk about how the AI class came about and what practical knowledge they impart to their students, cutting edge projects that both of them are working on, and what they view as the future of the legal industry.

March 26, 2020
Season 3: Episode 3
Evangelize From Within

Today’s conversation is with Monet Fauntleroy, Director of Legal Service Delivery at Cooley. Monet has been on several sides of the legal technology ecosystems, starting out as a prosecutor, moving to a legal solutions provider, and finally to a large firm. At Cooley, Monet and her team of innovators evaluate new technologies and solve technology problems for the thousands of attorneys at the firm. In this episode, Monet talks about the challenges of evangelizing from within a large law firm, what we have to learn from junior attorney fresh out of school, and how her firm has rapidly adapted to working remotely, in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Today’s conversation is with Monet Fauntleroy, Director of Legal Service Delivery at Cooley. Monet has been on several sides of the legal technology ecosystems, starting out as a prosecutor, moving to a legal solutions provider, and finally to a large firm. At Cooley, Monet and her team of innovators evaluate new technologies and solve technology problems for the thousands of attorneys at the firm. In this episode, Monet talks about the challenges of evangelizing from within a large law firm, what we have to learn from junior attorney fresh out of school, and how her firm has rapidly adapted to working remotely, in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.

February 27, 2020
Season 3: Episode 2
Justice By Smartphone

Today our conversation is with Shannon Salter, the chair of the Civil Resolution Tribunal. The CRT is a fascinating example of an online court that seeks to provide access to Canada’s legal system in new, efficient ways. Through their online platform, injured parties can file and serve a complaint in a number of different causes of action, all from their smartphone. In this episode Shannon explains how she was selected to lead the CRT, the challenges she’s faced along the way, and what the future of human-centered, virtual courts may be.

Today our conversation is with Shannon Salter, the chair of the Civil Resolution Tribunal. The CRT is a fascinating example of an online court that seeks to provide access to Canada’s legal system in new, efficient ways. Through their online platform, injured parties can file and serve a complaint in a number of different causes of action, all from their smartphone. In this episode Shannon explains how she was selected to lead the CRT, the challenges she’s faced along the way, and what the future of human-centered, virtual courts may be.

February 13, 2020
Season 3: Episode 1
A Robot Walks Into a Courtroom

Today we are honored to present our conversation Richard Susskind, one of the worlds leading intellectuals on technology in the law and the future of work. Dr. Susskind is also the author of some of the best-known books involving the modernization of law and lawyers – including “the Future of Law”, “Tomorrows Lawyers”, and his most recent book “Online Courts and the Future of Justice”. In our conversation, Richard considers the future of our court system, the incentives for law firms to modernize, and his prediction that tomorrow’s core legal jobs will revolve around technology and the creation of systems.

Today we are honored to present our conversation Richard Susskind, one of the worlds leading intellectuals on technology in the law and the future of work. Dr. Susskind is also the author of some of the best-known books involving the modernization of law and lawyers – including “the Future of Law”, “Tomorrows Lawyers”, and his most recent book “Online Courts and the Future of Justice”. In our conversation, Richard considers the future of our court system, the incentives for law firms to modernize, and his prediction that tomorrow’s core legal jobs will revolve around technology and the creation of systems.

November 21, 2019
Season 2: Episode 17
It’s Not All Perry Mason

We’re honored to share our conversation with David Wilkins, a Law Professor at Harvard Law School and the Faculty Director of the Center on The Legal Profession. Anand recently had the opportunity to present to Professor Wilkins’ class at HLS, The Legal Profession, where he shared his thoughts on technology’s impact on the future of legal jobs. Afterward, we had the chance to sit down with Professor Wilkins to talk about how Richard Nixon affected his legal career, three key forces affecting the legal industry, and how he educates students on the realities of legal practice. As it turns out, it’s not as glamorous as Perry Mason.

We’re honored to share our conversation with David Wilkins, a Law Professor at Harvard Law School and the Faculty Director of the Center on The Legal Profession. Anand recently had the opportunity to present to Professor Wilkins’ class at HLS, The Legal Profession, where he shared his thoughts on technology’s impact on the future of legal jobs. Afterward, we had the chance to sit down with Professor Wilkins to talk about how Richard Nixon affected his legal career, three key forces affecting the legal industry, and how he educates students on the realities of legal practice. As it turns out, it’s not as glamorous as Perry Mason.

November 7, 2019
Season 2: Episode 16
Intuition And Indicators

Today we share our conversation with Evan Parker, a Ph.D statistics expert and founder of Parker Analytics. Evan is ushering in a new era of data-driven decision-making for law firms by working with them to collect, assess, and evaluate their data, optimizing how they do business. He uses data to help them discover problematic trends in recruitment, diversity, and efficiency, then identifies their solutions. He recently discussed one of these trends on Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast, Revisionist History. In this episode, Evan shares some surprising insights he has unearthed through looking at firm data, like how a good grade in torts is a better predictor of success than a good grade in contracts, why a top tier law degree does not predict greater success at a law firm than a mid-tier law degree, and the key factors causing certain demographic groups at law firms to fall behind, and others to succeed.

Today we share our conversation with Evan Parker, a Ph.D statistics expert and founder of Parker Analytics. Evan is ushering in a new era of data-driven decision-making for law firms by working with them to collect, assess, and evaluate their data, optimizing how they do business. He uses data to help them discover problematic trends in recruitment, diversity, and efficiency, then identifies their solutions. He recently discussed one of these trends on Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast, Revisionist History. In this episode, Evan shares some surprising insights he has unearthed through looking at firm data, like how a good grade in torts is a better predictor of success than a good grade in contracts, why a top tier law degree does not predict greater success at a law firm than a mid-tier law degree, and the key factors causing certain demographic groups at law firms to fall behind, and others to succeed.

October 23, 2019
Season 2: Episode 15
The 2 am Idea

Today we share our conversation with Haley Altman, founder and CEO of Doxly, which was recently acquired. Haley tells her story from the point of view of a former big law partner specializing in corporate transactions. In that senior role, she personally felt a pain point and looked to the market for a solution. Finding none, she founded Doxly, a company that manages corporate legal transactions. Recently, Doxly was acquired and integrated into document life cycle powerhouse Litera Microsystems. In this episode, Haley takes us through the conception, growth, and sale of her company, including all of the failures and triumphs along the way.

Today we share our conversation with Haley Altman, founder and CEO of Doxly, which was recently acquired. Haley tells her story from the point of view of a former big law partner specializing in corporate transactions. In that senior role, she personally felt a pain point and looked to the market for a solution. Finding none, she founded Doxly, a company that manages corporate legal transactions. Recently, Doxly was acquired and integrated into document life cycle powerhouse Litera Microsystems. In this episode, Haley takes us through the conception, growth, and sale of her company, including all of the failures and triumphs along the way.

October 10, 2019
Season 2: Episode 14
The Modern Law Student

On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, I had the opportunity to talk to University of Dayton School of Law Dean, Andrew Strauss. The Law School is examining new ways to use online tools to make legal education accessible to more students. In this episode, we hear Dean Strauss’s opinions on how on-demand online education can sometimes more effectively educate the modern law student than traditional classes, the challenges facing law schools today, and the struggle inherent in balancing the traditions of legal academia with the demands of the new economy.

On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, I had the opportunity to talk to University of Dayton School of Law Dean, Andrew Strauss. The Law School is examining new ways to use online tools to make legal education accessible to more students. In this episode, we hear Dean Strauss’s opinions on how on-demand online education can sometimes more effectively educate the modern law student than traditional classes, the challenges facing law schools today, and the struggle inherent in balancing the traditions of legal academia with the demands of the new economy.

September 25, 2019
Season 2: Episode 13
The Small Firm Guide To Marketing

On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, we speak with Karin Conroy, Legal Marketing Consultant and founder of Conroy creative counsel. In our conversation, we talk about marketing strategies for small and mid-size law firm attorneys. Karin provides us guidance on how to create a prospective-client-focused website, aligning website visuals with each firm’s ideal client, and the demands of the modern prospective client operating in a world of limitless attorney options.

On today’s episode of the Modern Lawyer Podcast, we speak with Karin Conroy, Legal Marketing Consultant and founder of Conroy creative counsel. In our conversation, we talk about marketing strategies for small and mid-size law firm attorneys. Karin provides us guidance on how to create a prospective-client-focused website, aligning website visuals with each firm’s ideal client, and the demands of the modern prospective client operating in a world of limitless attorney options.

August 23, 2019
Season 2: Episode 12
The Next Generation GC

Today we share an interview with Bradley Gayton, the General Counsel and Chief Administrative Officer of Ford Motor Company, ranked twelve in the Fortune 500. Bradley embodies the new generation of GCs. He’s up to speed on new technology including AI and machine learning. He’s interested in changing the business model in law. He’s curious and interested in the massive changes we are all witnessing in the legal industry. In this episode, Bradley shares his thoughts on outside counsel as “part of the family”, viewing a case from the perspective of a business from cradle to grave, and promoting diversity not just at Ford but in the legal industry as a whole.

Today we share an interview with Bradley Gayton, the General Counsel and Chief Administrative Officer of Ford Motor Company, ranked twelve in the Fortune 500. Bradley embodies the new generation of GCs. He’s up to speed on new technology including AI and machine learning. He’s interested in changing the business model in law. He’s curious and interested in the massive changes we are all witnessing in the legal industry. In this episode, Bradley shares his thoughts on outside counsel as “part of the family”, viewing a case from the perspective of a business from cradle to grave, and promoting diversity not just at Ford but in the legal industry as a whole.

August 8, 2019
Season 2: Episode 11
The A.I. Arms Race

In this episode, we’re joined by Alex Lakatos, a litigation partner at Mayer Brown in Washington, DC. Alex is an example of a successful attorney at a thriving firm who is pushing himself to become an expert in the brand new area of artificial intelligence in financial services, lending, and credit. Alex organizes and speaks on AI in financial services symposia and events and discusses regulation of new AI technologies, AI-bias and the liability flowing from it, and how attorneys will interact with and shape AI in the near future.

In this episode, we’re joined by Alex Lakatos, a litigation partner at Mayer Brown in Washington, DC. Alex is an example of a successful attorney at a thriving firm who is pushing himself to become an expert in the brand new area of artificial intelligence in financial services, lending, and credit. Alex organizes and speaks on AI in financial services symposia and events and discusses regulation of new AI technologies, AI-bias and the liability flowing from it, and how attorneys will interact with and shape AI in the near future.

July 25, 2019
Season 2: Episode 10
The Man-Shaped Woman Attorney

Today we are sharing our recent conversation with Christina Blacklaws, the President of The Law Society of England and Wales, (the equivalent of our American Bar Association). Throughout her career, Christina has been a champion for gender equality in law, alternative fee arrangements, and awareness of mental health issues in law. In our conversation, we discuss when and why women drop out of the profession, the impact of millennials in the work-place, and what she means by the concept of the “man-shaped woman” attorney.

Today we are sharing our recent conversation with Christina Blacklaws, the President of The Law Society of England and Wales, (the equivalent of our American Bar Association). Throughout her career, Christina has been a champion for gender equality in law, alternative fee arrangements, and awareness of mental health issues in law. In our conversation, we discuss when and why women drop out of the profession, the impact of millennials in the work-place, and what she means by the concept of the “man-shaped woman” attorney.

August 8, 2019
Season 2: Episode 9
The Indiana Jones Aspect

Today we’re joined by Charles Frey, the Director of Library at elite law firm, Munger Tolles & Olson. In this episode, we talk about the evolution of the librarian function in law firms, assisted my metaphors randing from Indiana Jones, to chicken farming, and the library of Alexandria. Charles talks about how librarians are increasingly expected to be experts, not just in retrieving information, but in evaluating new technologies and their use cases. We hope you enjoy our conversation.

Today we’re joined by Charles Frey, the Director of Library at elite law firm, Munger Tolles & Olson. In this episode, we talk about the evolution of the librarian function in law firms, assisted my metaphors randing from Indiana Jones, to chicken farming, and the library of Alexandria. Charles talks about how librarians are increasingly expected to be experts, not just in retrieving information, but in evaluating new technologies and their use cases. We hope you enjoy our conversation.

June 27, 2019
Season 2: Episode 8
Fixing What You Didn’t Know Was Broken

What is a Chief Innovation Officer? 10 years ago, this title didn’t exist, and at most firms big and small, it STILL doesn’t exist. I ask this question to Ali Shahidi, the Chief Innovation and Client Solutions Officer at AmLaw 100 law firm Sheppard Mullin. Ali is an experienced and trusted innovation expert and technologist. He has decades of experience in legal. Combined that with his engineering background, he has world-class perspective on where the industry is going with respect to technology and automation. In this episode, we talk about what he does in his role, what problems he is looking to solve for his firm, and where law firms have gone wrong in the past. I hope you enjoy our conversation.

What is a Chief Innovation Officer? 10 years ago, this title didn’t exist, and at most firms big and small, it STILL doesn’t exist. I ask this question to Ali Shahidi, the Chief Innovation and Client Solutions Officer at AmLaw 100 law firm Sheppard Mullin. Ali is an experienced and trusted innovation expert and technologist. He has decades of experience in legal. Combined that with his engineering background, he has world-class perspective on where the industry is going with respect to technology and automation. In this episode, we talk about what he does in his role, what problems he is looking to solve for his firm, and where law firms have gone wrong in the past. I hope you enjoy our conversation.

June 13, 2019
Season 2: Episode 7
The Startup Within Wilson

Today we talk to Kimball Parker, President of SixFifty, the technology subsidiary of top technology law firm Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati. Early in his legal career, Kimball faced a personal example of how the legal system’s labyrinth-like complexity is harming millions of people who cannot afford attorneys. This led to a fascinating career as a legal tech founder interested in ways to increase access to legal information and services. We talk about how severe the Access to Justice gap in the legal industry really is and how technology and automation can help provide a solution. Now, in his role at the helm of 650, he is able to create and provide solutions with minimal attorney time spent. He also discusses collaborations with legal design labs at law schools and how they can contribute to addressing the severe gap between the supply of attorney time and the immense need for legal services. We hope you enjoy our conversation.

Today we talk to Kimball Parker, President of SixFifty, the technology subsidiary of top technology law firm Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati. Early in his legal career, Kimball faced a personal example of how the legal system’s labyrinth-like complexity is harming millions of people who cannot afford attorneys. This led to a fascinating career as a legal tech founder interested in ways to increase access to legal information and services. We talk about how severe the Access to Justice gap in the legal industry really is and how technology and automation can help provide a solution. Now, in his role at the helm of 650, he is able to create and provide solutions with minimal attorney time spent. He also discusses collaborations with legal design labs at law schools and how they can contribute to addressing the severe gap between the supply of attorney time and the immense need for legal services. We hope you enjoy our conversation.

May 29, 2019
Season 2: Episode 6
Inside the Greenberg Innovation Lab

Today our guest is Marlene Gebauer, the Director of Strategic Legal Insights at the AmLaw 20 law firm, Greenberg Traurig. In this episode, Marlene shares how she ended up in her unique role at Greenberg and we discuss how she developed their ‘innovation lab’. We get to hear about her passion for client collaboration, and what AmLaw executives are looking for in new technology tools.

Today our guest is Marlene Gebauer, the Director of Strategic Legal Insights at the AmLaw 20 law firm, Greenberg Traurig. In this episode, Marlene shares how she ended up in her unique role at Greenberg and we discuss how she developed their ‘innovation lab’. We get to hear about her passion for client collaboration, and what AmLaw executives are looking for in new technology tools.

May 2, 2019
Season 2: Episode 5
Answering the “So What?” Question

Today we share our conversation with the Chief Marketing Officer of Winston Strawn, Howard Kravitz. He works us through the past, present, and future of the law firm marketing pitch, and how it is different from the consulting world, and how often marketers at a law firm have many more audiences than just a potential client. We hope you enjoy it!

Today we share our conversation with the Chief Marketing Officer of Winston Strawn, Howard Kravitz. He works us through the past, present, and future of the law firm marketing pitch, and how it is different from the consulting world, and how often marketers at a law firm have many more audiences than just a potential client. We hope you enjoy it!

April 18, 2019
Season 2: Episode 4
Lessons from the Big 4

Today we are joined by Vishal Agnihotri, the Chief Knowledge Officer of Hinshaw & Culbertson, an AmLaw 200 law firm. Vishal has a background as an executive at KPMG and Ernst & Young. In this episode, we talk about the differences between two big areas of professional services, BigLaw, and the Big 4 accounting firms. Vishal observes a few different lessons that large law firms can learn from the Big 4, in addition to certain key roles the Big 4 will have a hard time replacing. She also shares her thoughts on the ‘unbundling’ of legal services, and how automation will affect the future of law firms providing value to clients.

Today we are joined by Vishal Agnihotri, the Chief Knowledge Officer of Hinshaw & Culbertson, an AmLaw 200 law firm. Vishal has a background as an executive at KPMG and Ernst & Young. In this episode, we talk about the differences between two big areas of professional services, BigLaw, and the Big 4 accounting firms. Vishal observes a few different lessons that large law firms can learn from the Big 4, in addition to certain key roles the Big 4 will have a hard time replacing. She also shares her thoughts on the ‘unbundling’ of legal services, and how automation will affect the future of law firms providing value to clients.

April 4, 2019
Season 2: Episode 3
“Law Is Divinity With More Money At Stake”

Augie Rakow is the co-founder and managing partner of Atrium LLP, a law firm that uses modern technology to provide startups fast, transparent, and predictable legal services. Augie co-founded Atrium in 2017 with Justin Kan, who built the popular video game streaming platform Twitch. Before founding Atrium, Augie was a corporate partner at Orrick focusing on startups. In this episode, we discuss how Atrium plans to change the legal industry, Augie’s view on how legal services ideally should be delivered, and the similarities between his studies at Harvard Divinity School and law practice.

Augie Rakow is the co-founder and managing partner of Atrium LLP, a law firm that uses modern technology to provide startups fast, transparent, and predictable legal services. Augie co-founded Atrium in 2017 with Justin Kan, who built the popular video game streaming platform Twitch. Before founding Atrium, Augie was a corporate partner at Orrick focusing on startups. In this episode, we discuss how Atrium plans to change the legal industry, Augie’s view on how legal services ideally should be delivered, and the similarities between his studies at Harvard Divinity School and law practice.

Feburary 20, 2019
Season 2: Episode 2
The Millennial Episode

Today on the Modern lawyer we speak with JP Box, a lawyer, entrepreneur, author, and millennial. After a career in AmLaw 100 firms, JP left law practice dissatisfied with his experience. After changing his career, he just couldn’t kick the feeling that there was some shared experience causing many lawyers of his generation to leave the law. He decided to explore this and through years of research and discussion, he became an expert in showing law firms how to get the most productivity out of their millennial attorneys. He’s concluded that there are clear, simple steps law firms can do to leverage their younger associates in ways that inspire them to do the great quality work expected of them. On the other side of the coin, he also discusses the dangers of law firms disregarding millennials and expecting them to adapt to how business has been done for decades.

Today on the Modern lawyer we speak with JP Box, a lawyer, entrepreneur, author, and millennial. After a career in AmLaw 100 firms, JP left law practice dissatisfied with his experience. After changing his career, he just couldn’t kick the feeling that there was some shared experience causing many lawyers of his generation to leave the law. He decided to explore this and through years of research and discussion, he became an expert in showing law firms how to get the most productivity out of their millennial attorneys. He’s concluded that there are clear, simple steps law firms can do to leverage their younger associates in ways that inspire them to do the great quality work expected of them. On the other side of the coin, he also discusses the dangers of law firms disregarding millennials and expecting them to adapt to how business has been done for decades.

February 7, 2019
Season 2 : Episode 1
The Wizard

Our guest today is Oz Benamram, the Chief Knowledge Officer at White and Case, where he has led their KM program for over 10 years. Oz is a leader in the field and his ideas on technology, law firm economics, and information management are often years ahead of his peers.

Our guest today is Oz Benamram, the Chief Knowledge Officer at White and Case, where he has led their KM program for over 10 years. Oz is a leader in the field and his ideas on technology, law firm economics, and information management are often years ahead of his peers.

December 11, 2018
Season 1: Episode 17
Culture, Mergers, and Metrics

Today you’ll hear an interview with Beatrice Seravello, who was a former Chief Strategy Officer at Blank Rome and Kaye Scholer, and now a senior executive at Arnold Porter. As a chief strategy officer, Bea had oversight for all revenue-generating activities, leading Strategy, Business Development, Marketing and Practice Management for the firm, overseeing targeted new business and revenue growth, client development and retention strategies, pricing, and public relations. In that role she she reported directly to the Managing Partner. At Arnold & Porter she is working on the ongoing project of ensuring that the Arnold & Porter and Kaye Scholer Merger go smoothly, both operationally, and culturally.

Today you’ll hear an interview with Beatrice Seravello, who was a former Chief Strategy Officer at Blank Rome and Kaye Scholer, and now a senior executive at Arnold Porter. As a chief strategy officer, Bea had oversight for all revenue-generating activities, leading Strategy, Business Development, Marketing and Practice Management for the firm, overseeing targeted new business and revenue growth, client development and retention strategies, pricing, and public relations. In that role she she reported directly to the Managing Partner. At Arnold & Porter she is working on the ongoing project of ensuring that the Arnold & Porter and Kaye Scholer Merger go smoothly, both operationally, and culturally.

Novemeber 26, 2018
Season 1: Episode 16
Gravity Stack: Innovation in the AmLaw 50

Today’s guest is Bryon Bratcher, the Managing Director of Gravity Stack, a wholly owned subsidiary of AmLaw 50 law firm Reed Smith. Gravity Stack is a revenue-generating company within the firm that builds products and offers up services for law firms and other businesses. We speak with Bryon about his journey from the head of the Reed Smith client technology solutions group, which was renamed and spun out as Gravity Stack. Bryon talks to us about the future of the industry, including the threats from the Big Four, consolidation among solutions providers, and the future of revenue generating solutions providers owned entirely by law firms. Bryon also talks about the entrepreneurial culture within Reed Smith that gave rise to Gravity Stack, which permits him to operate in an innovative and independently manner.

Today’s guest is Bryon Bratcher, the Managing Director of Gravity Stack, a wholly owned subsidiary of AmLaw 50 law firm Reed Smith. Gravity Stack is a revenue-generating company within the firm that builds products and offers up services for law firms and other businesses. We speak with Bryon about his journey from the head of the Reed Smith client technology solutions group, which was renamed and spun out as Gravity Stack. Bryon talks to us about the future of the industry, including the threats from the Big Four, consolidation among solutions providers, and the future of revenue generating solutions providers owned entirely by law firms. Bryon also talks about the entrepreneurial culture within Reed Smith that gave rise to Gravity Stack, which permits him to operate in an innovative and independently manner.

November 12, 2018
Season 1: Episode 15
Legal Tech From Scratch

Matthew Stubenberg is an attorney entrepreneur who is now the associate director of Legal Technology at Harvard Law School. Matthew has created notable and useful technology based on pain points he experienced as a practitioner in Baltimore, Maryland. So far he has created the NotGuilty App and MD Expungement, two tools that have earned thousands of users. We speak with Matt about what it was like creating apps specifically for lawyers, how he spots legal processes that can be easily automated, and what role he thinks technology and coders in particular are going to play in the practice of law.

Matthew Stubenberg is an attorney entrepreneur who is now the associate director of Legal Technology at Harvard Law School. Matthew has created notable and useful technology based on pain points he experienced as a practitioner in Baltimore, Maryland. So far he has created the NotGuilty App and MD Expungement, two tools that have earned thousands of users. We speak with Matt about what it was like creating apps specifically for lawyers, how he spots legal processes that can be easily automated, and what role he thinks technology and coders in particular are going to play in the practice of law.

October 22, 2018
Season 1: Episode 14
The Innovation Narrative

Today’s guest is Jordan Grotzinger, a shareholder and Co-Chair of the Los Angeles Litigation Practice at Greenberg Traurig. Jordan is a business litigator and trial attorney who has experience in entertainment law and intellectual property. Lately, he has spent an increasing amount of time driving innovation and modernization at the firm. We were honored to host Jordan in our office at Casetext in San Francisco to talk about how attorneys can incorporate technology into their practice at large firms, the future of the billable hour, what trends he is seeing in litigation, and what an “innovation narrative” means at a large firm.

Today’s guest is Jordan Grotzinger, a shareholder and Co-Chair of the Los Angeles Litigation Practice at Greenberg Traurig. Jordan is a business litigator and trial attorney who has experience in entertainment law and intellectual property. Lately, he has spent an increasing amount of time driving innovation and modernization at the firm. We were honored to host Jordan in our office at Casetext in San Francisco to talk about how attorneys can incorporate technology into their practice at large firms, the future of the billable hour, what trends he is seeing in litigation, and what an “innovation narrative” means at a large firm.

September 28, 2018
Season 1: Episode 13
Revolução! A discussion of Brazil’s Legal Tech Boom

So often in the tech world and the legal industry we view the United States as a legal market that is separate and distinct, but it is really important for us to take into account what is happening in other countries as well. We see a lot of the same trends in countries like Brazil as we do in the United States, and we can seethe different ways in how they approach legal technology. Our guests are Bruno Barata, Evy Marques, and Bruno Feigelson, all preeminent figures in the Brazilian Legal Tech community.

So often in the tech world and the legal industry we view the United States as a legal market that is separate and distinct, but it is really important for us to take into account what is happening in other countries as well. We see a lot of the same trends in countries like Brazil as we do in the United States, and we can seethe different ways in how they approach legal technology. Our guests are Bruno Barata, Evy Marques, and Bruno Feigelson, all preeminent figures in the Brazilian Legal Tech community.

September 14, 2018
Season 1: Episode 12
The Chatbot That Saved 15 Million Dollars

In this episode Anand is joined by Joshua Browder, a software engineer and the Founder of DoNotPay, a robot lawyer startup that helps customers fight parking tickets and obtain refunds from airlines. DoNotPay has saved their customers an estimated $15M in parking fines alone. Time Magazine proclaimed DoNotPay as the “Hero the World Needs,” and the BBC nicknamed it the “Robin Hood of the internet.” They talk about chatbots tailored to specific legal problems, the challenges in creating robot lawyers, and how technology can address exploitative industries in pro-consumer ways.

In this episode Anand is joined by Joshua Browder, a software engineer and the Founder of DoNotPay, a robot lawyer startup that helps customers fight parking tickets and obtain refunds from airlines. DoNotPay has saved their customers an estimated $15M in parking fines alone. Time Magazine proclaimed DoNotPay as the “Hero the World Needs,” and the BBC nicknamed it the “Robin Hood of the internet.” They talk about chatbots tailored to specific legal problems, the challenges in creating robot lawyers, and how technology can address exploitative industries in pro-consumer ways.

August 30, 2018
Season 1: Episode 11
Stop, Collaborate, And Listen

Scott Bailey is the Global Director of Research Services at Squire Patton Boggs. He’s seen decades of law firm transition, including acquisitions, rapid growth and restructuring. He’s a specialist in not just identifying technology that can help his firm’s attorneys, but also bringing it into his firm across practice groups and stakeholders. He comes to us today with a radical, industry shaking idea: have people sit down and talk. Sometimes, it’s the little things that can change an industry.

Scott Bailey is the Global Director of Research Services at Squire Patton Boggs. He’s seen decades of law firm transition, including acquisitions, rapid growth and restructuring. He’s a specialist in not just identifying technology that can help his firm’s attorneys, but also bringing it into his firm across practice groups and stakeholders. He comes to us today with a radical, industry shaking idea: have people sit down and talk. Sometimes, it’s the little things that can change an industry.

AUG 2, 2018
Season 1: Episode 10
Innovating Pro Bono

Some estimates show that over 65% of legal needs in the United States are not met because most people simply cannot afford attorneys. Pro bono work can help bridge that gap, but as attorneys who have worked on pro bono cases know, it’s often difficult to find and manage pro bono cases. That’s what inspired Felicity Conrad to start Paladin, a platform that helps companies and law firms manage their pro bono work. Join us for Anand’s conversation with Felicity about problems in the way the legal industry does pro bono work, how technology can be leveraged to fix it, and the access to justice gap that Paladin is helping fill.

Some estimates show that over 65% of legal needs in the United States are not met because most people simply cannot afford attorneys. Pro bono work can help bridge that gap, but as attorneys who have worked on pro bono cases know, it’s often difficult to find and manage pro bono cases. That’s what inspired Felicity Conrad to start Paladin, a platform that helps companies and law firms manage their pro bono work. Join us for Anand’s conversation with Felicity about problems in the way the legal industry does pro bono work, how technology can be leveraged to fix it, and the access to justice gap that Paladin is helping fill.

July 6, 2018
Season 1: Episode 9
Is Small Law The Future?

Carolyn Elefant, solo attorney and author of the popular blog MyShingle, shares her predictions for how solo practice will change in the next 20 years, including new technologies and business models that are already gaining popularity among solo practitioners.

Carolyn Elefant, solo attorney and author of the popular blog MyShingle, shares her predictions for how solo practice will change in the next 20 years, including new technologies and business models that are already gaining popularity among solo practitioners.

June 21, 2018
Season 1: Episode 8
The Inclusion Rider

Frances McDormand ended her Oscars acceptance speech with two words: “inclusion rider.” Attorney Kalpana Kotagal, who actually wrote the inclusion rider, explains what it is, how it came about, and why it will drive diversity and inclusion in Hollywood and beyond.

Frances McDormand ended her Oscars acceptance speech with two words: “inclusion rider.” Attorney Kalpana Kotagal, who actually wrote the inclusion rider, explains what it is, how it came about, and why it will drive diversity and inclusion in Hollywood and beyond.

June 7, 2018
Season 1: Episode 7
Start-To-Finish Litigation

As the Associate GC leading the litigation group at Macy’s, Betty Tierney and her team actually handle much of the company’s litigation themselves — and she’s using that experience to guide her expectations when she works with outside counsel. Learn more about Macy’s unique approach to litigation, find out why Betty believes we’re going to see an increase in alternative fee arrangements over the next 10 years, and more.

As the Associate GC leading the litigation group at Macy’s, Betty Tierney and her team actually handle much of the company’s litigation themselves — and she’s using that experience to guide her expectations when she works with outside counsel. Learn more about Macy’s unique approach to litigation, find out why Betty believes we’re going to see an increase in alternative fee arrangements over the next 10 years, and more.

May 23, 2018
Season 1: Episode 6
Holy Grail of Legal Tech

Evan Shenkman, Ogletree Deakins’ Director of Knowledge Management Counsel and Research, describes how his experiences practicing law and building Ogletree’s KM department led him to the “holy grail” of legal technology: a system that can automatically kick off a chain of events involving both external vendors and internal systems whenever a motion is filed.

Evan Shenkman, Ogletree Deakins’ Director of Knowledge Management Counsel and Research, describes how his experiences practicing law and building Ogletree’s KM department led him to the “holy grail” of legal technology: a system that can automatically kick off a chain of events involving both external vendors and internal systems whenever a motion is filed.

May 10, 2018
Season 1: Episode 5
What Your Clients Are Thinking

Jason Barnwell, Assistant General Counsel at Microsoft, explains why he tries to structure his relationships with outside counsel as partnerships rather than a supplier or vendor relationship, and the signals he looks for that a firm will be a good partner to him. You’ll also find out why Jason believes “The billable hour is a shackle on innovation and efficiency,” and what Microsoft is moving toward to replace it.

Jason Barnwell, Assistant General Counsel at Microsoft, explains why he tries to structure his relationships with outside counsel as partnerships rather than a supplier or vendor relationship, and the signals he looks for that a firm will be a good partner to him. You’ll also find out why Jason believes “The billable hour is a shackle on innovation and efficiency,” and what Microsoft is moving toward to replace it.

April 26, 2018
Season 1: Episode 4
Old Problems, New Solutions

When Scott Rechtschaffen thinks “there has to be a better way,” he creates that better way. As a shareholder and later CKO at Littler, Scott has implemented outside-the-box solutions to a number of long-standing problems in legal practice. Find out how he eliminated the annoyance of firmwide RFI emails, made training on workplace regulations actually fun, and more.

When Scott Rechtschaffen thinks “there has to be a better way,” he creates that better way. As a shareholder and later CKO at Littler, Scott has implemented outside-the-box solutions to a number of long-standing problems in legal practice. Find out how he eliminated the annoyance of firmwide RFI emails, made training on workplace regulations actually fun, and more.

April 12, 2018
Season 1: Episode 3
What You Should Know About Blockchain

Join us as we speak with Judy Rinearson, a partner at K&L Gates and expert on the blockchain. In this episode we attempt to break down the blockchain into simple terms, and understand how its adoption could revolutionize the practice of law.

Join us as we speak with Judy Rinearson, a partner at K&L Gates and expert on the blockchain. In this episode we attempt to break down the blockchain into simple terms, and understand how its adoption could revolutionize the practice of law.

March 28, 2018
Season 1: Episode 2
The “White Whale” of Legal Tech Adoption with Jeff Rovner

When Jeff Rovner started working in KM, it was still “this thing that had no name.” Now, KM is at the forefront of some of the most fundamental issues in legal innovation, including Jeff’s own “white whale” of legal tech adoption. Anand talks with Jeff about the evolution of KM, what law firms can learn from the consulting world, and how adoption of legal tech will impact attorneys’ workflows, law firm business models, and more.

When Jeff Rovner started working in KM, it was still “this thing that had no name.” Now, KM is at the forefront of some of the most fundamental issues in legal innovation, including Jeff’s own “white whale” of legal tech adoption. Anand talks with Jeff about the evolution of KM, what law firms can learn from the consulting world, and how adoption of legal tech will impact attorneys’ workflows, law firm business models, and more.

March 14, 2018
Season 1: Episode 1
Jean O’Grady

In this episode, Anand chats with Jean O’Grady of DLA Piper and Dewey B. Strategic, who shares her journey from academic reference librarian to Director of Research Services at one of the world’s largest firms. Find out what it was like to transition from a world without the internet (or even Post-Its) to one increasingly focused on innovation, and learn how law librarians, millenials, and AI will shape the future of law.

In this episode, Anand chats with Jean O’Grady of DLA Piper and Dewey B. Strategic, who shares her journey from academic reference librarian to Director of Research Services at one of the world’s largest firms. Find out what it was like to transition from a world without the internet (or even Post-Its) to one increasingly focused on innovation, and learn how law librarians, millenials, and AI will shape the future of law.

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