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United States v. Aldeen

United States Court of Appeals, Second Circuit.
Jul 6, 2015
792 F.3d 247 (2d Cir. 2015)

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concluding that district court failed adequately to explain in open court and in written statement reasons for imposing "substantially above-Guidelines sentence"

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Opinion

Docket No. 14–2706–cr.

07-06-2015

UNITED STATES of America, Appellee, v. Ahmed ALDEEN, Defendant–Appellant.

Karen L. Koniuszy and Susan Corkery, Assistant United States Attorneys, for Kelly T. Currie, Acting United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn, N.Y., for Appellee. Yuanchung Lee, Federal Defenders of New York, Inc., New York, N.Y., for Defendant–Appellant.


Karen L. Koniuszy and Susan Corkery, Assistant United States Attorneys, for Kelly T. Currie, Acting United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn, N.Y., for Appellee.

Yuanchung Lee, Federal Defenders of New York, Inc., New York, N.Y., for Defendant–Appellant.

Before: CABRANES, POOLER, and CHIN, Circuit Judges.

Opinion

CHIN, Circuit Judge:

Defendant-appellant Ahmed Aldeen appeals from a July 28, 2014 judgment of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York (Townes, J. ), convicting him, following a guilty plea, of violating for the second time the conditions of his supervised release by associating with a convicted felon. As he admitted at his plea allocution, Aldeen spoke to a member of his sex offender treatment group in the subway, after one of their sessions. The district court revoked Aldeen's supervision and sentenced him to eighteen months' imprisonment to be followed by an additional three years of supervised release.

Aldeen now challenges his above-Guidelines sentence on both procedural and substantive grounds. For the reasons set forth below, we remand for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

BACKGROUND

In August 2008, Aldeen was convicted, following a guilty plea, of one count of possession of child pornography, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A(a)(5) and (b)(2). In his plea allocution, Aldeen admitted that in the course of downloading adult pornography, he came into possession of two videos of child pornography, which he kept and viewed even after discovering they contained child pornography. The district court sentenced him to fifty-one months' imprisonment and three years' supervised release. The judgment contained the standard conditions of supervision, see U.S.S.G. § 5D1.3(c), as well as five special conditions, see id. § 5D1.3(d), including a ban on using a computer or similar electronic device to access pornography “of any kind,” and notifying the Probation Department of any computer to which he had access.

After being released from prison, Aldeen began serving his initial term of supervised release in February 2010. On September 28, 2011, the Probation Department charged him with violating several of his conditions of supervised release, including by failing to notify the Probation Department that he had certain access to the internet. He eventually pled guilty to failing to report to his Probation Officer. On August 22, 2012, the district court sentenced him to ten months' imprisonment, the top of the Guidelines range, as well as three additional years' supervised release. The judgment, however, was not entered until January 28, 2013.

For this second term of supervised release, the district court imposed the standard conditions of supervision and three special conditions. Relevant to this appeal are the following:

[Standard Condition] 9) [T]he defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity, and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission to do so by the probation officer....

[Special Condition] 1) The defendant shall participate in a mental health treatment program, which may include participation in a treatment program for sexual disorders....

[Special Condition] 2) The defendant is not to use a computer, Internet capable device, or similar electronic device to access pornography of any kind.... The defendant shall also cooperate with the United States Probation Department's Computer and Internet Monitoring program. Cooperation shall include ...

identifying computer systems, Internet capable devices, and/or similar electronic devices the defendant has access to.... The defendant may be limited to possessing only one personal Internet capable device, to facilitate our department's ability to effectively monitor his Internet related activities.

App. at 47–48.

Aldeen appealed the district court's judgment with respect to the prohibition against viewing pornography of any kind and argued that he should be permitted to view adult pornography. On motion of the government, this Court vacated the judgment and remanded for the district court to reformulate this special condition. On remand, the district court determined that it was appropriate to continue to bar Aldeen from viewing all pornography.

In 2014, one year into this second term of supervised release, Aldeen was again charged with violating the conditions of supervision. According to the Probation Department, Aldeen allegedly spoke with another member of his treatment group, also a convicted felon, on the subway following a group treatment session, in violation of Standard Condition 9. Probation stated that it had “received information” that Aldeen had asked his fellow group member for “assistance with leaving the country undetected.” Id. at 60. The Probation Department also charged Aldeen with violating Special Condition 2, which barred certain possession and uses of computers and other internet capable devices, by, among other things, possessing an unreported cellphone that contained pornographic images. The Probation Department additionally charged Aldeen with committing a state crime by failing to disclose all internet accounts and identifiers, including social networking accounts, in violation of his level 1 registered sex offender obligations under the New York State Electronic Security and Targeting of On-line Predators Act.

Pursuant to an agreement with the government, Aldeen pled guilty on April 17, 2014 to the first charge: associating with a person convicted of a felony. He allocuted that he “spoke to one of [his] group at the subway,” knowing the person had been convicted of a felony, and knowing that he was not supposed to have contact with other group members outside the treatment program. Id. at 73.

The first charge was a grade “C” violation, as defined by U.S.S.G. § 7B1.1(a)(3). Because Aldeen was in Criminal History Category II when he was originally sentenced, the Guidelines range for the violation was four to ten months' imprisonment per U.S.S.G. § 7B1.4(a). Because his original offense of possession of child pornography in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2252A was a Class C felony, see 18 U.S.C. §§ 2252A(b)(2), 3559(a)(3), the maximum statutory sentence that could be imposed on revocation was twenty-four months, see 18 U.S.C. § 3583(e)(3).

On April 23, 2014, the district court sentenced Aldeen to eighteen months' imprisonment and an additional term of supervised release of three years. The district court explained its sentence as follows:

Because Aldeen is scheduled to be released from prison on July 7, 2015, it is unlikely that his term of imprisonment will be shortened by the resentencing proceedings. See Fed. Bureau of Prisons, Inmate Locator, http://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/ (find by name: Ahmed Aldeen). Though resentencing will likely occur after his release, a criminal case “does not necessarily become moot when the convict finishes serving the sentence” when there exists “ ‘some concrete and continuing injury.’ ” United States v. Mercurris, 192 F.3d 290, 293 (2d Cir.1999) (quoting Spencer v. Kemna, 523 U.S. 1, 7, 118 S.Ct. 978, 140 L.Ed.2d 43 (1998) ). Aldeen's appeal is not moot “because a favorable appellate decision might prompt the district court to reduce [his] three-year term of supervised release.” United States v. Kleiner, 765 F.3d 155, 156 n. 1 (2d Cir.2014) ; see also Levine v. Apker, 455 F.3d 71, 77 (2d Cir.2006) (finding “effectual relief” possible where “the district court might, because of our ruling, modify the length of [defendant's] supervised release”).

Mr. Aldeen, you haven't even tried. You lie to everybody. I looked back through my notes. When I accepted your guilty plea, I did so and I said even though I know he's lied about parts of this, and you continue to do that. You used this unauthorized electronic device, this cell phone. You lied to your probation officer, and it was just totally unbelievable to me that you came to probation with that telephone, and you gave it to the officers downstairs and then picked it up as you were going out the door.

I mean, you just ignored the conditions that have been set for you. You admitted contact with a felon outside of the treatment facility. You lied in treatment.... [Y]ou took a polygraph examination, which indicated that you lied in your denial of contact with minors. I just—and this is your second violation of supervised release. I just find that in order to deter you and hopefully cause you to really think about this and stop committing these offenses, you are—the guidelines for the violation in charge one is—those guidelines are four to ten months. That is far too short a term to afford deterrence in this case.

After defense counsel objected to the district court's reliance on the polygraph examination, the district court agreed that the polygraph examination, which the government had administered on February 6, 2014, would not be used as a basis for the district court's sentence.

I do find that my sentence, which will hopefully get to you, must be above the advisory guideline range, just to try to [a]ffect you, in causing you to obey the conditions of supervised release.

App. at 80–81. The district court concluded that Aldeen's “abidance of the conditions of supervised release, ... ha[s] been almost nil in this case.” Id. at 86. Judgment was entered on July 28, 2014.

This appeal followed.

DISCUSSION

We review a sentence for procedural and substantive reasonableness under a “deferential abuse-of-discretion standard.” Gall v. United States, 552 U.S. 38, 41, 128 S.Ct. 586, 169 L.Ed.2d 445 (2007) ; see United States v. Broxmeyer, 699 F.3d 265, 278 (2d Cir.2012) (“[O]ur standard is ‘reasonableness,’ ‘a particularly deferential form of abuse-of-discretion review.’ ”) (quoting United States v. Cavera, 550 F.3d 180, 188 & n. 5 (2d Cir.2008) (en banc)); see also United States v. Thavaraja, 740 F.3d 253, 258 (2d Cir.2014). Aldeen challenges both the procedural and substantive reasonableness of his sentence.

A. Procedural Reasonableness

1. Applicable Law

A sentence is procedurally unreasonable if the district court “fails to calculate (or improperly calculates) the Sentencing Guidelines range, treats the Sentencing Guidelines as mandatory, fails to consider the § 3553(a) factors, selects a sentence based on clearly erroneous facts, or fails adequately to explain the chosen sentence.” United States v. Chu, 714 F.3d 742, 746 (2d Cir.2013) (internal quotation marks omitted).

The court must “state in open court the reasons for its imposition of [a] particular sentence,” 18 U.S.C. § 3553(c), and where the sentence is outside an advisory Guidelines range, the court must also state “the specific reason” for the sentence imposed, in open court as well as in writing—“with specificity in a statement of reasons form” that is part of the judgment, id. § 3553(c)(2). See generally United States v. Sindima, 488 F.3d 81, 85 (2d Cir.2007). The sentencing court's “statement of reasons must at least explain—in enough detail to allow a reviewing court, the defendant, his or her counsel, and members of the public to understand—why the considerations used as justifications for the sentence are ‘sufficiently compelling [ ] or present to the degree necessary to support the sentence imposed.’ ” Id. at 86 (alteration in original) (citation omitted) (quoting United States v. Rattoballi, 452 F.3d 127, 137 (2d Cir.2006), abrogated in part on other grounds by Kimbrough v. United States, 552 U.S. 85, 128 S.Ct. 558, 169 L.Ed.2d 481 (2007) ).

When a district judge deviates from an advisory Guidelines range, it must consider the “extent of the deviation and ensure that the justification is sufficiently compelling to support the degree of the variance.” Cavera, 550 F.3d at 189 (quoting Gall, 552 U.S. at 50, 128 S.Ct. 586 ). Where there is a variance, on appellate review, “we may take the degree of variance into account and consider the extent of a deviation from the Guidelines.... [A] major departure should be supported by a more significant justification than a minor one.” United States v. Stewart, 590 F.3d 93, 135 (2d Cir.2009) (internal quotation marks omitted).

These concepts apply as well to sentences for violations of supervised release. See United States v. McNeil, 415 F.3d 273, 277 (2d Cir.2005) (“The standard of review on the appeal of a sentence for violation of supervised release is now the same standard as for sentencing generally: whether the sentence imposed is reasonable.”). Nonetheless, there are some differences between sentencing for the underlying crime and sentencing for a violation of supervised release. Supervised release was established by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, as amended, 18 U.S.C. § 3551 et seq., and was designed “to ease the defendant's transition into the community after the service of a long prison term for a particularly serious offense, or to provide rehabilitation to a defendant who has spent a fairly short period in prison for punishment or other purposes but still needs supervision and training programs after release.” S.Rep. No. 98–225, at 124 (1983), reprinted in 1984 U.S.C.C.A.N. 3182, 3307; see also United States v. Johnson, 529 U.S. 53, 59, 120 S.Ct. 1114, 146 L.Ed.2d 39 (2000) (“Congress intended supervised release to assist individuals in their transition to community life. Supervised release fulfills rehabilitative ends, distinct from those served by incarceration.”). Supervised release is not, fundamentally, part of the punishment; rather, its focus is rehabilitation. Though the imposition of an above-Guidelines sentence triggers a “higher descriptive obligation,” United States v. Cassesse, 685 F.3d 186, 193 (2d Cir.2012), we simultaneously require less rigorous specificity where, as here, a court sentences a defendant for violation of supervised release.See United States v. Verkhoglyad, 516 F.3d 122, 132–33 (2d Cir.2008) (“[A] court's statement of its reasons for going beyond non-binding policy statements in imposing a sentence after revoking a defendant's probationary term need not be as specific as has been required when courts departed from guidelines that were, before Booker, considered to be mandatory.” (quoting United States v. Lewis, 424 F.3d 239, 245 (2d Cir.2005) )); see also United States v. Hargrove, 497 F.3d 256, 260–61 (2d Cir.2007) (“We have drawn a sharp divide between initial sentencing and the revocation of supervised release with respect to the protections and safeguards available to the individual.”).

See also United States v. Gonzalez , 529 F.3d 94, 98–99 (2d Cir.2008) (citing 18 U.S.C. § 3553(c) ) (holding, in appeal from above-Guidelines sentence in a revocation case, that district court is “statutorily required” to state in open court reasons for its sentence and “[w]here, as here, the sentence is outside of an advisory Guidelines range, ‘the court must also state with specificity in the written order the specific reason for the sentence imposed’ ” (quoting Sindima , 488 F.3d at 85 )).

The Sentencing Commission, in a 2010 report, drew a parallel between the “primary purpose of supervised release—to facilitate the reintegration of federal prisoners back into the community,” and “the purpose of the Second Chance Act of 2007, ... which was intended to ‘reduce recidivism, increase public safety, and help state and local governments better address the growing population of ex-offenders returning to their communities.’ ” U.S. Sentencing Comm'n, Federal Offenders Sentenced to Supervised Release 2 n. 11 (2010) (internal quotation marks omitted), http://www.ussc.gov/sites/de fault/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2010/20100722_Supervised_Release.pdf (last visited July 6, 2015); see also United States v. Wessels, 539 F.3d 913, 915 (8th Cir.2008) (Bright, J., concurring) (“Congress has directed a shift from policing those on parole to rehabilitating them.”).

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2. Application

Aldeen argues that the district court erred by failing to state in open court, and in writing as part of its judgment, the reasons for imposing an above-Guidelines sentence with the specificity required by 18 U.S.C. § 3553(c). “Section 3553(c) requires no specific formulas or incantations; rather, the length and detail required of a district court's explanation varies according to the circumstances.” Cassesse, 685 F.3d at 192. As a general matter, the requirements of § 3553(c) have “likely been satisfied when a court's statements meet the goals ‘of (1) informing the defendant of the reasons for his sentence, (2) permitting meaningful appellate review, (3) enabling the public to learn why the defendant received a particular sentence, and (4) guiding probation officers and prison officials in developing a program to meet the defendant's needs.’ ” Id. at 192–93 (quoting United States v. Villafuerte, 502 F.3d 204, 210 (2d Cir.2007) ). Because Aldeen did not object at sentencing to the district court's failure to explain its reasoning, we review his procedural challenge for plain error. Villafuerte, 502 F.3d at 208.

We conclude that the district court committed procedural plain error by failing to adequately explain the reasoning for its sentence in open court and in a written statement of reasons. See Lewis , 424 F.3d at 245–49 (finding plain error in revocation proceeding and remanding for resentencing, where district court did not explain why it imposed substantially above-Guidelines sentence).

On the present record, we are not persuaded that the district court provided a sufficiently compelling justification to support the degree of the variance. See Cavera, 550 F.3d at 189. The district court imposed a custodial sentence of eighteen months, when the Guidelines only called for four to ten months, as well as an additional three years of supervised release. Moreover, Aldeen pled guilty only to associating with a convicted felon, and he admitted only that he “spoke to one of [his] group at the subway” following one of their group treatment sessions. App. at 73. Without more, this conduct—speaking to a member of the treatment group in the subway after one of the sessions—would not seem to warrant such a substantially above-Guidelines sentence. Indeed, it would seem that the district court's decision to impose an 18–month sentence and another three years of supervised release was driven by other considerations.

At the sentencing, the government argued that an above-Guidelines sentence was appropriate because Aldeen had “multiple unreported devices.” Id. at 78. The Probation Officer argued that an above-Guidelines sentence was appropriate because Aldeen “never once reported any sexual urges in any of those [treatment] sessions, or any struggles with pornography,” and that he “seems to not be able to control himself, with not having unauthorized devices and using them for sexual purposes.” Id. at 79. The district court seemed to accept the arguments, as it made clear that it was troubled by Aldeen's purported use of an “unauthorized electronic device, [a] cell phone.” Id. at 80.

Aldeen pled guilty, however, only to associating with a convicted felon. He did not admit to possession of multiple unauthorized devices or using any such devices for pornographic purposes, as the Probation Department alleged, and, in fact, that charge (the second specification) was dismissed. The judgment declared that “[t]he defendant has not violated condition(s) 2–3 and is discharged as to such violation(s) [of his] condition[s].” Id. at 87.

Ordinarily, conduct underlying acquitted or dismissed charges or uncharged conduct may be taken into account in sentencing if the government establishes that conduct by a preponderance of the evidence. See United States v. Watts, 519 U.S. 148, 155–56, 117 S.Ct. 633, 136 L.Ed.2d 554 (1997). Here, it appears that the district court relied on the allegations regarding the use of multiple unauthorized devices, even though that charge was dismissed. But no hearing occurred and no specific findings were made regarding Aldeen's use of multiple unauthorized devices. Similarly, with respect to the subway conversation, the government argued that Aldeen had “previously absconded” and “here he is approaching somebody, asking for information about how to flee the country.” App. at 78. But in his plea allocution, Aldeen admitted only to speaking with a member of the group in the subway after a session. He did not admit that he asked the group member for assistance in fleeing the country, as the government alleged. The Probation Department report asserted only that the Probation Officer had “received information” to this effect, without even identifying the source of the information. Id. at 60. The district court did not make any findings on this issue, and it is unclear, on this record, whether the communication between Aldeen and the group member was innocuous or whether Aldeen was genuinely up to no good.

Because there was a major deviation from the Guidelines range in this case, the district court was obliged to provide a more substantial justification for its sentence. On the current record, in the absence of specific findings and a more detailed explanation, we are unable to conclude that there were “sufficiently compelling” reasons to support the deviation. Cavera, 550 F.3d at 189 (quoting Gall, 552 U.S. at 50, 128 S.Ct. 586 ). Moreover, we cannot discern from this record whether the district court's principal purpose in imposing eighteen months' imprisonment and three additional years of supervised release was to punish Aldeen or to further his rehabilitation. See United States v. Gonzalez , 529 F.3d 94, 99 (2d Cir.2008) (in vacating above-Guidelines sentence imposed in revocation proceeding, noting that it was unclear whether district court had Sentencing Commission's “policy statement in mind” or whether it imposed non-Guidelines sentence “without regard to it”).

The written statement of reasons fares no better. Section 3553(c)(2) requires that the district court state “with specificity” the “specific reason for the imposition” of an above-Guidelines sentence on the written statement of reasons form. The district court failed to do so. Instead, in its “Statement of Reasons” in the non-public portion of the judgment, the district court checked off the box for a sentence “above the advisory policy statement range,” but left blank Part IV(C), which asked for an explanation of “the facts justifying a sentence outside the advisory policy statement.” We have recognized that “ ‘the better course’ in such circumstances [is] ‘to remand so that noncompliance with subsection 3553(c)(2) may be remedied.’ ” Verkhoglyad, 516 F.3d at 133 (quoting United States v. Jones, 460 F.3d 191, 197 (2d Cir.2006) ). At a minimum, the district court should have completed Part IV(C) of the statement of reasons form to comport with its statutory obligations.

We acknowledge that sentencings in revocation proceedings are often conducted in a more informal manner than sentencings in the underlying criminal cases. We do not suggest that the sentencing for violations of supervised release must be accompanied by “[t]he full panoply of procedural safeguards” that attends a sentencing on initial criminal charges. United States v. Carlton, 442 F.3d 802, 809 (2d Cir.2006). Nonetheless, even in the revocation context, a district court must sufficiently explain its reasoning so that the parties, the public, and a reviewing court can understand the justification for the sentence, particularly when there is a material deviation.

Accordingly, we remand to the district court for further findings and explanation. To the extent the district court relies on conduct that was the subject of the dismissed charges or on misbehavior beyond the conduct for which Aldeen was initially convicted or that was the basis of the revocation proceeding, the district court must make findings with respect to the factual bases for its sentencing decision. On remand, if the district court adheres to its decision to deviate above the Guidelines range, it shall also provide a written explanation in the judgment to memorialize in writing the stated reasons for the sentence.

B. Substantive Reasonableness

We turn now to the question of substantive reasonableness: whether the sentence of eighteen months' imprisonment and three additional years' supervised release “shock[s] the conscience,” constitutes a “manifest injustice,” or is otherwise substantively unreasonable. United States v. Rigas, 583 F.3d 108, 123 (2d Cir.2009) (internal quotation marks omitted); see generally Chu, 714 F.3d at 746, 748–49. Our review for substantive unreasonableness is “particularly deferential.” Broxmeyer, 699 F.3d at 289 (citing Gall, 552 U.S. at 51, 128 S.Ct. 586 ). We will set aside sentences as substantively unreasonable “only in exceptional cases where the trial court's decision ‘cannot be located within the range of permissible decisions,’ ” Cavera, 550 F.3d at 189 (quoting United States v. Rigas, 490 F.3d 208, 238 (2d Cir.2007) ), that is, when sentences “are so ‘shockingly high, shockingly low, or otherwise unsupportable as a matter of law’ that allowing them to stand would ‘damage the administration of justice.’ ” Broxmeyer, 699 F.3d at 289 (quoting Rigas, 583 F.3d at 123 ).

As this Court has observed, “the measure of what is conscience-shocking is no calibrated yard stick.” O'Connor v. Pierson, 426 F.3d 187, 203 (2d Cir.2005) (quoting Cnty. of Sacramento v. Lewis, 523 U.S. 833, 847, 118 S.Ct. 1708, 140 L.Ed.2d 1043 (1998) ). In the instant case, on this record, even if Aldeen's sentence does not shock the conscience, it at the very least stirs the conscience. As suggested above, a sentence of eighteen months' imprisonment and three additional years' supervised release for speaking to a fellow member of the treatment group in the subway following a treatment session, without more, seems exceedingly harsh. There may have been additional circumstances justifying such a material deviation, but for the reasons discussed above, on this record we are unable to discern them. Accordingly, remand for a fuller record will facilitate appellate review of the question of substantive reasonableness as well. See United States v. Ahuja, 936 F.2d 85, 89 (2d Cir.1991) (“[I]n cases where the impact of our invalidation of a departure ground is unclear or the sentence imposed by the district court strains the bounds of reasonableness, remand for resentencing may well be warranted.”).

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, we REMAND to the district court with instructions that it vacate the sentence and resentence Aldeen in accordance with the above. Because Aldeen has already served the majority of his above-Guidelines sentence, the mandate shall issue forthwith.


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United States v. Aldeen

Case Details

Full title:UNITED STATES of America, Appellee, v. Ahmed ALDEEN, Defendant–Appellant.

Court:United States Court of Appeals, Second Circuit.

Date published: Jul 6, 2015

Citations

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